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I don't know, it is the shop announcement, right? I mean, did Art Linkletter sue Lawrence Welk, for example for saying "Good evening ladies and gents, sit back and relax, we have a wonderful show for you tonight?"
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No, perhaps he didn't, because one sentence or two is not copyrightable.
A full paragraph might be, however, and therefore the original post had a point that was not addressed by this comment. Perhaps if the commenter was a seller, she would understand the situation better.
I wanna know why the fucking thread wasn't closed. She's clearly talking about copying and it clearly says in the rules that this is not an issue to bring to the forums, it's flaggable, but it's allowed to continue.
Where is the consistency?
But Howard, the OP's shop announcement IS only two sentences. Looks like she just wanted to draw attention to her shop, which worked.
I'm with stinky.
I never got that she wanted to draw attention to her shop. I think she was a bit hot under the collar and wanted to vent, and yes, see how other people may have handled similar situations. Was she wrong in her approach? Absolutely. But that thread turned into one big trainwreck. The lynch mob was out for blood and it wasn't pretty. I kept thinking that all these people were telling her that they'd never buy from her shop because of her attitude, but I found just as much, if not more, 'tude from them.
Agree with your analysis of the thread, fart. I suspected "Look at Me" syndrome because said Shop Announcement only contains two sentences. Hardly a tome to play the legal card about.
True, old hippie. That part was rather weird. I mean, to get hot and bothered about two measly sentences?? I'd hate to see the reaction we'd get if someone lifted one of her actual product designs or something. Yikes.
The whole copying thing is pretty rampant, and not just on etsy....it's everywhere. But I could see that she was a fairly new seller because her reaction was over the top. Whenever I've seen it happen to people for the first time, they usually go apeshit.
Fart, you have a point about new sellers maybe being a little sensitive.
When I was a fairly new seller, my entire profile was copied word for word, and I lost it a little, because really, was it necessary to copy my bio, too?
I didn't bring it to the Forums though, and I didn't threaten legal action over it. I ended up just contacting the seller (who was newer than me) to resolve it. They changed theirs (a little), and I changed mine completely to make it feel "mine" again.
So, I can empathize a little with that OP - it was disconcerting, but I got over it.
Yep, cooler heads prevailed- you handled it the right way, wannabebritish. I've had to contact a couple sellers before and they apologized and removed their listings immediately. This was for completely replicating a couple pieces I made, down to the very last detail. I mean, I showed it to friends and their jaws dropped, it was that bad. It is very disconcerting and it's not something I feel comfortable dealing with, but sometimes things are SO insanely obvious that you have no choice, really.
The issues about new sellers and copyright, copying, and lifting other sellers works, pix, and even (gasp) profiles or shop descriptions are all consequences of an open site that has no boundaries, and enforces rules randomly.
While Etsy insists (and clings to) their "democratic" policies, it continues to ignore quality, integrity, and reputation which has been sacrificed for "if you can list it, sell it" which has
- reduced the average actual selling price to $15 and under
- opened the door to resellers and other scammers
- created some real confusion with the buying public (let alone some sellers) who have no idea what Etsy is anymore.
Etsy also promotes the illusion that those who wish to sell on the site don't really need to abide by any rules, copyright, or other persistent violations on the site because these sellers/stores set up and sell for long periods of time before they are (if ever) removed.
Sellers who think they can get away with anything online (worldwide) far outnumber the sellers who actually abide by the rules, take pride in their product, and make extra effort to protect the integrity of their work. But if the site you are selling on does not share the same values and protect the integrity and reputation of its site, then what you get it what you got. Today's Etsy.
How fucking long can one toil over two sentences anyway?
The forum must be really hurting for quotable quotes if you are now quoting me, by the way, and it can only be downhill for you from here on out, and gloom and despair will surely follow you the rest of your days. I think I will skip the celebratory avatar, if you don't mind.
Or maybe it means I am psychic and sporting that Rosie The Riveter cat avatar was a psychic prediction of mine, or maybe even a subliminal suggestion to you to pick up one of my quotes. Either way, no one can gripe if I sport it now as I "earned" it.
Puss, I thought you were leaving the forums anyway?
"The forum must be really hurting for quotable quotes if you are now quoting me, by the way"
Not at all, it was a good quote so I used it. Don't be so down on yourself PD. Who knows? Aren't we all a little psychic?
We don't hate you, Puss, just most everything comes out of your mouth - except this anyway.
We're equal opportunity quoters if you aren't toking something or being a complete tool.
rollingstone said...
Puss, I thought you were leaving the forums anyway?
October 6, 2008 10:04 AM
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I am right behind sherry, and morganpuke/lavague who has been going to leave for the last year, and everyone else who is leaving, was leaving, should be leaving, too, but never did, never will go anywhere. Sometimes I do want to leave, and I was having a down day that day. I can't say I will be here next week, or next month. I can't say I won't stay and one day try to sell. As far as sherry goes, I hope she stays, and I mean that. I could give a shit less about morganpuke/lavague. I am not convinced that I should be held to a higher standard than anyone else in this instance who has said the same thing.
Besides reading 8 books while muted for a month, I had plenty of time to think and reflect, as well. I can see that I often beat a dead horse, although the horse is repeatedly thrown up to be beaten. Regardless of how he got there, I do see that my beating him does often interfere with important seller topics, and quite frankly, being a buyer, I feel that sellers' have a greater need to be able to converse freely than I do as a buyer, no matter how silly or repetitive I think the topic is. As a buyer, banning will not keep me from buying, but for a seller, getting banned can hurt them worse, at least in my opinion, as the forum is useful for advice and promo'ing. I really do not want a seller to be banned because I verbally engaged them, not even sellers I do not particularly care for.
Taking that into consideration, along with the fact that my next muting is my banning, I have been trying to refrain from any lengthy input into important seller threads, and if I have anything to say, I try to say it and leave. I often just skip it altogether. If it looks controversial, I find somewhere else to go, or I say what I have to say and split. I find this to be to my own benefit, as well as other people's.
I am sorry that it pains many of you so much that I am a buyer on Etsy, and active in the forum. But, despite this, you are just going to have to suffer through it until I am banned or I choose to leave, as I have as much right to be there as you do. I really do not care if it pains you or not, nor do I feel the need to justify my presence to anyone in particular. I will not be verbally fettered, nor will I leave until I am damned good and ready or I am banned. However, I will make an effort to tempor my behavior in the best interest of the sellers on Etsy and of myself. And that will have to be good enough.
If I am banned from the forum, that does not mean I will automatically leave Etsy. I may or I may not. But, I do not have as much invested in Etsy in some aspects as sellers do, and if I do choose to leave, there is a life beyond Etsy, and I am sure I will survive.
The Kinky One said...
"The forum must be really hurting for quotable quotes if you are now quoting me, by the way"
Not at all, it was a good quote so I used it. Don't be so down on yourself PD. Who knows? Aren't we all a little psychic?
October 6, 2008 10:04 AM
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Thank you, I think. ;-)
I had some reservations about the long response just posted by Puss due to the naame-calling in it. But since she should be allowed to answer questions directed at her I let it through.
"Thank you, I think. ;-)"
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Your welcome. I was not being snarky or trying any kind of veiled attack or whatever.
In general if I say something, you can take it at face value.
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