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VeryBigJen, an EtsyBitch commenter and a very nice gal, has just informed us that she has been "indefinitely" muted on the forums because of these remarks:
VBJ, as with WindysDesigns, you were a voice of persistence. You will be missed in the forums, if for nothing else the lulz and your take-no-prisoners way of saying it how it is.
Etsy's put itself in the position to have some much worse things said about them, and there are others on the forums who say much, much worse than anything that VeryBigJen has ever said, yet they are still allowed to post.
Way to go Etsy, quiet those who call you out on the carpet for being less than your potential. How very professional.
Etsy's lack of tools for sellers sneakily makes them into tools for etsy.
Or maybe that it means Etsy staff are tools.
I'd prefer etsy design something right than having yet another goddamned work around.
I refuse to reset my printer and mess up my custom settings, ruin future print projects when I forget to change it back na dhaving to reprint it again, and waste even more materials and ink, all to cover their failure get off their lazy asses and do some QA work.
If they could just once design something right the first time I'd have a farking heart attack.
stellaloella says:
We hear your concerns on this matter, and it's sparked some good internal discussions.
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Do any of them resemble a unflattering puppet show where you call us whiny poopyheads? Cause that's the "in house discussion" I see in my head.
VBJ, as with WindysDesigns, you were a voice of persistence. You will be missed in the forums, if for nothing else the lulz and your take-no-prisoners way of saying it how it is.
Etsy's put itself in the position to have some much worse things said about them, and there are others on the forums who say much, much worse than anything that VeryBigJen has ever said, yet they are still allowed to post.
Way to go Etsy, quiet those who call you out on the carpet for being less than your potential. How very professional.
93 Comments:
No! Say it ain't so!
Oh man, VBJ... damn. I'm sorry. I have to admit, I saw the interchange with Stella and wondered how long they would take. At least you went out with a REALLY GOOD LINE! :D
"Do any of them resemble a unflattering puppet show where you call us whiny poopyheads? Cause that's the "in house discussion" I see in my head."
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That was the doozie but also a work of art.
No worries VBJ the forums are shit anyway.
Oh, actually that is the smell of Fronch from the other post.
*salutes*
That just blows. Gonna miss one of the voices of reason.
*sigh* Etsy - sometimes you are sad.
Seriously . . . VBJ rocks! This sucks.
Stella has always rubbed me the wrong way and now this.
I'm sorry to hear that.
That was an awesome line but I'm sad that we will not be seeing new posts from you.
May the force be with you.
*salute*
To paraphrase Andy:
OMG, I am so sorry this happened to you.
Kidding, I just had to get that in there! I am sorry Jen, but please know you will always have a voice on EB (right, EB?) and probably just as many people read here as do the Etsy fora. I have to behave myself in the Etsy fora! It is really hard to remember that I don't have a posting ID like I do on Ebay. Sometimes it is really hard not to just say STFU on Etsy.
Welcome to Banned Camp! I'll be your counselor for today. :-)
Hey, at least you got in some good parting shots. I try to look at it this way - instead of wasting my time and energy on the forums, I now have MUCH more time to develop and promote my own website.
haha and Jen's avatar is frozen with the EB star forever now.
The threads you reference has Jen's posts with a slight pink highlight to them. Is that something etsy admin has done to highlight the post?
(Please tell me I'm not the only one that sees it)
I see the pink highlight too but I think that is just how the url is configured
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5712104&page=10&post_id=25450689
note the url has "post ID" at the end, I think that is what highlights it.
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5712104&page=10
whereas just this basic link to page 10 does not have the pink highlight.
This must be an admin tool related to the "flag this post" tool, which specifies the post ID # of each reply. If you hover your mouse on any "report this post" link you can see the post ID number and then construct a link which will highlight that post in pink.
cool!
SALUTE VBJ! That line was priceless!
The puppet show line was a classic, vbj, both funny and true. Etsy Admins clearly have no sense of humor, the grumpy haters.
EB salutes you.
*salutes VBJ*
It says a lot about the insecurities and lack of PR savvy of a business when they continually go around silencing their critics this way.
Of course the only authentic way to silence critics is to do a good job in the first place and to work hard to keep your customers on side (or at the very least not deeply pissed off!).
The poopyheads comment is funny, but don't find it surprising or sad that VBJ was muted.
Lots of people make criticisms in the forums, not everyone curses admin or calls them tools. I like that there is a certain level of responsibility on the posters, to keep things civil even when heated.
Thanks everyone! Yeah it sucks big time.
I really can't believe how thin skinned they are. Kinda unbelievable with feral cats running wild in the forums biting people.
Criticizing and gleefully ripping Etsycorp a new asshole at every turn are completely different things.
Augh!
I used to think this blog was overly cranky. But in the last few weeks, my business has also picked up, and I feel like I've started to outgrow that which is etsy.
The ongoing lack of actual improvements while Rokali spins fluffy ideas in his head while concrete demands from sellers go wanting make me wonder what their focus is, if they have any.
I need to simplify MY business, and so we started building our own oscommerce page tonight, with plans to graduate off etsy over the next 6months.
It's a damn shame that etsy can't be bothered to find some similar focus, and spends its time farting around with fluff features and half-thought out steps.
One might almost suspect they don't want the successful/savvy sellers, because the lesser informed don't ask those awkward questions of...so...when ARE you going to act like there's not a drunken monkey at the wheel?
Lots of people make criticisms in the forums, not everyone curses admin or calls them tools.
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Well if so many of them (Admin) weren't such ineffective, unprofessional dipshits, I'm sure it would be easy not to curse at them or call them tools.
VBJ, your delivery may not have been to the taste of all but that's one more person with a clue who is banished from the forums. I'm sure Rokali is busy preparing the Koolaid.
Just another example of Etsy forum hypocrisies ... the Pom Pom squad can call " complainers " anything they want while defending the inadequacies of Etsy, but you better heed the " be nice " rule when it comes to Admin, or the ax will fall !!
Don't worry VBJ, you won't miss the forums at all. I revisited when my privileges were reinstated, but the Etsy forums sicken me these days ... I haven't ventured there in weeks, and have no burning desire to :P
Come hang over here instead ;>)
Anonymous, I think it's a pity that many admins can't be muted on the forums as well. I have found some of admins' comments to be much more offensive than anything Jen has said. But that's because I can take criticism, and abhor passive-aggressiveness.
VBJ, I'm so sorry to hear this. You'll be missed.
When I read that i said "Ruh Roh!"
glad you went out with a "BANG!"
You have WAY more balls than me, ATM ;)
Bummer out being muted- I wish they would have picked other annoying posters instead.
I did not realize WendysDesigns was muted?
forum rubbernecker, we hope everyone can have a voice here, including VBJ - unless she calls us tools...cuz we're actually bitches and would like for you all to get that right :p
anonymous's sorry but had to delete your comments. We reognize your idea about banning admin from the forums though and one I'd like control over myself!
Remember, please choose a name when posting - it can be anything in the form of numbers, letters, and punctuation, but it has to be something.
envycrf said...
Criticizing and gleefully ripping Etsycorp a new asshole at every turn are completely different things.
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Am I the only one that thinks this would look great on a T-shirt?
(your username here): ripping Etsycorp a new asshole since 2005...
I'd be Jen's tool any day.
At least your eyeball avi with the EB star will live forever!
Mute Salute
boo hiss etsy!
but then again there has to be certain level of maturity and business savvy present before criticism can be taken in the correct way rather than running to mummy and whining!
commiserations Jen!
this comes as no shock whatsoever. She never had anything helpful to say, and only seemed out to make herself feel better by bashing others-and no, not just admin.
Thank you EB for highlighting VBJ's recent banning, since it finally shows how odd and troubling this Etsy-branded-censorship is - and has been from the start.
A free and open marketplace that uses police-state punishment techniques is pretty shocking each time Etsy does it. Why? Because Etsy has no ethics policy for its own employees, and no standards of behavior for their statments in print on and off Etsy about the company, the sellers, and their connections to Etsy.
To top that, Etsy does nothing to manage the Forums, nothing to discourage the very personal sniping and name-calling that goes on every single day between commenters, and even lets some commenters dominate the threads and turn them into personal platforms. Which sometimes includes hundreds of posts a day from the same sources.
When the Forums become unmanageable, Etsy barges in and mutes only those commenters who have criticized Etsy the Company because that is the only action they will take to manage their very own discussion boards. Any mangement of the boards would be just too much damn work for them!
If Etsy thinks its image might be damaged by critical comments about the company, then why does Etsy completely ignore the hundreds of comments a day that make the Company look like a grade school cafeteris during a food fight? This is a board about business?
I hope the main concern amongst the sellers who still care about Etsy is - why doesn't Etsy shut down the Forums completely? Either manage them fairly and consistently, stop the ridiculous banning, and start living up to the constant statements you make (in print) about being fair.
Ah, the Etsy Power Trip.
Oh, btw, the reseller I flagged a month ago has sold some more items.
etsyuser, seems to me like you just did the very same thing you are accusing JB of.
How's the view from that glass house?
VBJ is the "queen of trolls" how exactly? There are tons of real trolls with nasty teeth on etsy, who attack for attacking, anyone and anything in swiping distance. VBJ didn't. All she ever did was point out how inadequately Etsy was treating it's product and it's customers. She never attacked anyone other than calling admin out for being shortsighted or lame.
Silly troll, scamper off. Go jabber what you don't know to someone else.
Wow, fat jokes now? Stfu indeed...
Whoa... I am a fat chic, (and fuck you if that's a problem, in in the majority asswipe) but my name is not weight related. I am verybigjen because my main professional design site is verybigdesign.com and has been for 8 years. I use verybigjen to comment on other sites since there are a half a billion other jens on the net , and those who read my blog at verybigblog.com will know that I'm that Jen. I got known by it fairly widely due to my tutorials on flickr, so it's just become my netwide nick everywhere, as well as etsy.
See, consistency - something else I know about that etsy doesn't.
stfu, what an eloquent and mature criticism of both VBJ and this blog. Thanks so much for enlightening us.
I stay on Etsy because I've made a significant investment of time and money in selling there, and my Etsy shop has been a part of my business for long enough that it would cost too much to shut down and walk away. I think I can be the judge of whether I'm wasting my own time and energy, thanks.
And OMG, how awful that Big Bad Jen could say something like "maybe it means Etsy staff are tools." That's almost as bad as snarking at someone who disagrees with you by asking her if she has her period. But we know anyone who pulled shit like that would be banned for sure, right?
Yep, Jen has a big mouth. She knew what she was saying. But if she'd been snippy with another seller, instead of with admin, she'd still be on the forums.
And thanks for insulting fat people. That really puts us in our place.
But if she'd been snippy with another seller, instead of with admin, she'd still be on the forums.
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I don't think that's true. If she said the same things to another seller, in the same manner, with the same, I don't know, vitriol, I imagine she'd be muted. It's happened to other etsy users, so it's not as if Etsy only mutes those who 'criticize' (my opinion is that vbj didn't simply criticize, but attacked, over and over) them.
aw shoot. another one gets banned. *sigh*
the etsy forums are gonna get real boring soon if etsy admin continues this banning rampage.
Welcome to the banned club VBJen! I would say "I'm So Sorry", but truthfully, it is a blessing in disguise.
I would like to point out, however, there is a great deal of inconsistency in their policy of muting/banning people from the forums.
The post I was permanently muted for was a glaring example that admin take things personally. My comment was directed to what an admin SAID, I did not call the admin a name. I did not belittle or berate this admin, and had I said the same exact, EXACT comment to an average Etsy user, it would have not been a bannable offense.
Telling someone their information is bullshit is a bannable offense? Only if you tell that to an admin. And that admin has problems with being challenged in any way. If I had said her comment was 'poppycock', do you think I would have gotten banned? Not likely. It was the word used, a word that is used all over those forums.
They are targeting specific people, saving your posts, taking them out of context and using them as warnings to justify the final ban. Something you said 6 months ago is being saved, if you are one of the targeted. There is no time limit on when you might say something.
Something I said in the heat of the moment over a year ago was used as an example of one of my transgressions. Another comment was taken completely out of context, and the fact that I had been insulted/harassed by several people prior to my comment went unnoticed.
I kept quiet before because I thought there was the slightest chance that 'indefinitely muted' meant that there was a chance of it being reversed. Of course, I had to email support 3 times to get them to answer me. After their response, it was clear to me that my muting is permanent.
You all think Rob White is such an honorable admin. He is an ass just like the rest of them. He hides it well, though, I'll give him that.
MaryMary says:
"An extreme case such as a "ban," which we would define as an indefinite loss of forum privileges, would only occur after a full review by the Etsy Community team or other extreme cases that warrant an immediate termination of posting privileges such as aggressive spam or other extreme circumstances."
Ok this is really not cool. It's one thing to ban someone because you don't like what they have to say. But then to say that only the MOST EXTREME violations result in banning, and therefore anyone who is banned must have done something REALLY HORRIBLE, is just irresponsible and it's NOT TRUE. Jen never spammed. Not aggressively, not passively, not at ALL.
There are "really bad" and extremely disruptive people still posting on the forums, who have had a lot more warnings and previous mutings than VBJ or Windys ever had.
Etsy pulls this crap every time they ban a critic. They say they can't discuss individual cases because it's a private matter, but then they go ahead and make blanket statements which imply all sorts of sinister crimes against the banned person.
Mary, calling out is still calling out even if you don't name an individual name. It's still calling out if anyone can figure out who you're talking about, which in this case obviously they can. Please issue yourself a warning for breaking the forum guidelines and calling out a user in a negative light.
i've googled high and low for these blogs by etsy employees bashing sellers. help me, where are they?
it was deleted earlier this year
Telling someone their information is bullshit is a bannable offense?
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I imagine so. If I said to another seller, "You're full of shit", I don't see why I wouldn't get muted. Of course, it's really noticeable when admin bans someone for attacking them, because all eyes are on admin. What lots of people don't realize is that users get muted far more often for being jerks to each other than they do to admin, but, when someone is muted for being "mean" to someone else on the forums, they're often too embarrassed to go crowing about it wherever they can. When someone thinks they're muted for attacking admin, they have a huge backing system to rally behind them, and they are almost proud to have that badge.
I am proud that I said what I was feeling and didn't couch my comments for fear of reprisal. I am proud that I am an honest person and that I deal with people without playing mind games.
Whether or not I have any 'backers' doesn't change the fact that I have opinions (and often strong ones) and will not pretend that I don't.
zgnte , do a forum search for the word "bullshit".
859 matches, and that is just in the UNlocked threads.
Do you think all 859 of those users got permanently muted for using that word?
The point is not that Windys and Jen are innocent angels who have never broken a rule. Yes, obviously, they said some snarky things. Maybe even worthy of a 7 day muting. The point is that people say equally snarky things EVERY DAY, and much worse things, without getting banned or even temporarily muted. There is a user in the current banning thread who said they have been muted 5 times. FIVE strikes. And who knows how many warnings on top of that. But they are not banned. And here's a coincidence- they are a cheerleader. Jen and Windys are banned. How many strikes did they get? How many temporary mutings did Windys or Jen have before they got permanently muted?
Why the discrepancy?
"I am proud that I am an honest person and that I deal with people without playing mind games."
How are these things related? You can be honest and be respectful. You can tell the truth but frame it in a way for different people, so they're more likely to understand. You can be upfront without being abrasive. None of those things are mind games.
dear keyboard smusher,
Because that isn't their style. They prefer to be blunt, and even abrasive to get their point across, especially since the "Oh lovely Admin, please hear me out because I'm so respectful.." schtick had worn off long ago. Its hard to be respectful to a group of people who constantly try to blow sunshine and double-speak up you ass all the time. In fact, my asshole would be pretty irritated after a year or two of that..
It has come to my attention that there are plants out in the forums, whose sole job it is to stir things up and then hit that 'report' button to send specific posts to admin.
Someone close to Admin staff let slip that one of the reasons the 'report this post' button was implemented was specifically for this purpose, to get rid of undesireables.
nononanette, that is FUNNY! I don't buy that for a minute. Sorry.
"Oh lovely Admin, please hear me out because I'm so respectful.."
I don't think it has to be worded like that at all. But not constantly and unabatingly telling admin how worthless they are is probably a better way to go.
These 3 have publicly posted about their banning:
windysdesigns
verybigjen
recoverybabe
plus 3 other people forum-banned in January, who haven't all publicized their mutings so I won't name names.
and then there was someone using the name "delilah" who posted here on EB that they were permanently muted, but then deleted their post. I don't know their Etsy username.
emckinstry, who was one of the etsy 5 but did not get unbanned, however she deleted her account so it's technically different.
so, 8 total I think?
Actually, sweetie, we allow dissenters, as long as they don't attack other posters. Your post had a very pointed attack. Take it to your own blog or e-mail if you have personal barbs to trade.
stfubitches, I could not decide what to call you so I am offering up a poll for the public to decide.
http://indienightmares.blogspot.com/
thanks eclipse! seems like a few others are 'missing' but they might just be having a quiet summer! :)
The only squelching that goes on here is when someone starts to bash another seller/buyer or an anonymous post. We don't want Etsy Bitch to be about the Etsy customers who annoy you/me/or someone else. We're trying to keep it about Etsy Admin and the problems that need fixing.
Your post is still up la dee-dah, and so are many others.
Jen, I really hope you stick around to snark here at least since Etsy forums are shut off.
la Dee-Dah , thank you, at least you admit favoritism and bias is happening in these bannings. Things would be much simpler if Etsy just admitted that as well. Everyone knows it, but they keep pretending that they enforce the "rules".
The only real rule is don't mess with admins or admin's pets.
We pay Etsy. We are Etsy customers. If I had ever treated customers in my store like some of the Etsy staff (calling customers "grumpy haters" or referring to them as being "insane") then I would have been fired so fast it would make my head spin.
It's been over two years of being nice, and making requests using words like "please". All Etsy has done is blow us off, and tell us "well look into that".
Sadly, many of them are tools.
Too bad I can't edit a comment. Because YOU attacked someone else la dee-dah, you get to take it to your blog. Bye.
Re. who has been banned.
Grace/Rivkasmom has also been open about being banned.
Thaidreams was not just banned but kicked off Etsy permanently.
Apparently Gemmafactrix has also been banned from the forums.
I didn't include people who got completely kicked off Etsy- i.e. brickwalled. There are a lot more of those. A few people have been brickwalled for sketchy subjective reasons, and I reckon many have been deleted just for being resellers or having a ton of negative feedbacks, etc.
I'm thinkin' PussDaddy's gone for a bit, too. :>/
I think that one might be a premature call, cheese. Wasn't she just posting last night?
Not quite time to break out the champagne yet...but it is chilling.
Cheesenpickle, what makes you say that? Do share.
How do you know who has been banned unless they tell you? I'm serious. Do admin tell other people or is it just speculation among people on etsy? I'm just curious how one would find out for certain.
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5730620&page=39
Jesus, took me ages to find it! Just gettin' the vibe. . .
In case the link doesn't work,
Thread: "Why are people being banned from the forums?"
XX says:
It takes two to argue and I personally miss the little cat with the cute hat.
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Say it isn't so ..... :(
I saw that comment too, cheese, but that is just speculation by someone who has a history of guessing wrong, and then passing it off as fact.
*cough*nine*cough*
I still think it's not quite time for champagne yet...I'm just really skeptical because some "untouchables" have had total immunity for so long. I am not sure how many days of silence it would take to convince me. At least 3. But even then it could just be a temporary hand slap, with a winkwink "warning".
Thanks, cheesenpickle. I'll be interested to find out what that means.
Confused - most people talk about their bannings publicly, off-Etsy.
If feline was spotted last night, they are still here because mutings and bannings don't happen on Saturday.
Etsy admin has to have time to play, you know! :P
the one time I had an "interaction" with an admin (resulting in a locked thread) was because their reading comprehension was a bit lacking and they misread my totally innocent post.
When I pointed out her "lack of comprehension" she was most apologetic - but it left a sour taste in my mouth...
STFU, when your mommy finds out you've been playing on the computer again, she's gonna be real mad. Go off and play now.
I have pointed out on here before that mutings only seem to happen when someone asks admin to be accountable. i.e. Sends snark in Admin's direction. What marymary said is BS. There was a severe case of spamming last weekend and I assumed that there would have been muting. Apparently not, because the spammer posted less than 7 days later. This is NOT to point fingers, but to point out that mutings are obviously extremely rare and subjective and that severe spamming is not always a case where they will mute. This is so wrong.
I can't believe you guys are actually surprised...to me she was actually hurting the cause of EB more than helping. She just seemed like the crochity old bitchy woman that you just role your eyes everytime she posted. Won't miss her.
wahoo, I think you mean *roll*
if you're going to talk shit, at least check your spelling.
Wahoo, VBJ was neither helping nor hurting the "cause" of EB. She is not one of the EtsyBitch owners and so does not represent anyone but herself. She was just saying what she believed and felt.
And no, I'm not surprised. Etsy has been very predictable in it's biased judgments lately. If one of the cheerleaders who is way snarkier than Jen got permanently muted, THEN I would be surprised!
"la Dee-Dah , thank you, at least you admit favoritism and bias is happening in these bannings. Things would be much simpler if Etsy just admitted that as well. Everyone knows it, but they keep pretending that they enforce the "rules"."
You still can't use your brain? You really need an admission of something so patently obvious? They're not pretending anything. They're just not telling you everything but who the hell are you to assume that you have the right to know everything about how they run their business anyway?
You want that right? Apply for a job with Etsy.
This is how the business word works, people. I realize many of you think that selling two pairs of earrings a week on Etsy (aka SOMEONE ELSE'S SITE) means you are running a real business and know everything about how to run a real business but real life, real business and real money are something entirely different.
"Your post is still up la dee-dah, and so are many others."
Guess again, sweet cheeks! (And I do mean cheeks, lol!)
"Too bad I can't edit a comment. Because YOU attacked someone else la dee-dah, you get to take it to your blog. Bye."
I have a blog now? Cool! Please tell me where it is so I can get to posting.
la Dee-Dah said...
You still can't use your brain? You really need an admission of something so patently obvious? They're not pretending anything. They're just not telling you everything but who the hell are you to assume that you have the right to know everything about how they run their business anyway?
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Using my brain is how I can see the reality through the hypocrisy. I just think Etsy should tell the truth and stop pretending to be impartial. You know it's not true, I know it's not true. But they keep saying it. That's not the same as withholding information. Withholding information would be if they just said "all our disciplinary policies are secret and we don't have to tell you".
When they do tell us something and it's not true, that is what we call "lying".
Withholding information would be more ethical then lying.
I do agree with you though, that the favoritism is "patently obvious".
I think at this point both cheerleaders and fusspots can see that. That's when continuing to claim otherwise is just embarrassing, like a child insisting he didn't eat a cupcake when he has frosting all over his face.
the second quote, while a bit harsh, wasn't really worth a banning over. The first and third? While I find the last one pretty funny, I'm secretly 12 and still find poop jokes funny, I would call it crossing the line. Does this mean vbj should have gotten the perma-mute? I don't know. It's not my business to know her history and relationship with the etsyployees.
I do think if she had said the same to a fellow etsyian the results would not have been as severe, but I would hope they'd at least try to be consistent.
I do agree with eclipse that the verbage used when an etsyployee explains bannings is a subtle form of calling out. I can't speak from experience, but I do know that mistakes have happened and to say all bannings are for egregious behavior is a convenient whitewash of forum history.
I do like vbj and I wish her the best in the future. I love her stuff and know she'll be just fine :)
Yeah, we took down your earlier puerile ranting, la dee-dah.
And what Kinky meant is that if you have more crap to spew, go make yourself a blog. And please send us a link, we all like a good laugh.
speaking of consistency i WISH i had saved the closing of 2 threads in a row where the admin actually said they were trying to be consistent like we wanted.... but of course, i didn't and i've no clue how to efficiently search the forums.
i thought it was funny... and irritating...
and now they are even more INconsistent.
Oh La dee dah....in future, please don't let all of your personalities post at once. Appoint a spokesperson and let them do the talking.
I am Spartacus!
Actually we a) don't ban people, and b) we delete posts. Etsy does a) and not b).
Go troll somewhere else, la dee-dah.
I got hit with the perma-ban stick for complaining that genuine artist's listings were being buried by tons of cheap mass produced crap. I also stated that Etsy valued the listing money more more than they did their artists.
Well guess what? The mass producers are still there, and worse than ever - but I'M the one who's too "negative"? Huh. I just call it being realistic.
I waited about 6 months, and then asked admin for an appeal hearing. I was told that my muting "was not up for discussion". That's pretty definite for and "indefinite" muting.
Awwww, now my Spartacus post makes no sense.....
*it's ok Pie, you still got it*
eclipse said;
"I do agree with you though, that the favoritism is "patently obvious".
I think at this point both cheerleaders and fusspots can see that. That's when continuing to claim otherwise is just embarrassing, like a child insisting he didn't eat a cupcake when he has frosting all over his face."
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=13398491
But who are they favoring? Eclipse says it's very obvious but I honestly don't know. What I see are people who maybe should be muted, but admin is just too stupid or lazy to mute them. Perhaps it's a Friday, and they'd rather get out their hammocks and collectively fall on their asses, or they're late for a cupcake party, I don't know, but it doesn't make me feel like they're actively favoring specific people, but are just not being consistent because they just don't feel like it.
confuscious say:
harass forum poster,get no mute
harass etsy staff,get mute
which make sense?
"confuscious say:
harass forum poster,get no mute
harass etsy staff,get mute
which make sense?"
Neither. Both have happened.
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