Saturday, June 28, 2008

A new award for Valor

VeryBigJen, you have fought a hard battle. Etsy Admin seem to have it out for you. Apparently it is okay to accuse someone of being an EB and going batshit crazy on them, but not to call the accuser a lame ass for using the word "buck" instead of fuck.

I thought calling out and bringing non-Etsy business into the forums was a no-no. Oh, and notice this: the e-mail was sent to VBJ on 06/28 at 330pm. It took Etsy a full 3 days to act on muting VeryBigJen. Yeah, consistency is a load of bullshit.

VeryBigJen, since you are not an actual EB, you can be an honorary one. As is anyone who posts for the greater good. But you took a direct attack for us, and that is admirable and valorous.

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5680423&page=32
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5680423&page=35

For that she was muted for 7 days.

Rob, sir, you are a douchebag for this action. VeryBigJen was attacked, provoked and yet you punish the innocent. What a reactionary response, and very immature to boot.

VeryBigJen, feel free to use any of our valor awards in your banner.

177 Comments:

aww-feck said...

NO, not my RobWhite. It can't be. Aww feck.

TheSneakyOne said...

Indeed it is. I once thought that he was a very reassuring presence on the forums, but now, my opinion has changed.

godot said...

Rob White is a company man. He may seem sensitive when posting in the forums. But when they tell him to do something, he says "Yes, sir"

This is the third time I've seen his real side in action. He cares no more for etsy sellers that have problems with etsy than anyone else. If you are provoked, too bad.

And, don't get in a thread with his wife. You may want to rethink your comments on the side bar about him.

He's really just like the rest of them.

TheSneakyOne said...

godot, have you had run-ins with his wife?

I have no doubt that RobWhite has now been stripped of any common sense and is now a sycophant.

Ben Can Dance Creations said...

BigJen, I was right there next to you in that thread (which took a very bizarre turn by A2A) and am sorry you got muted for that.

TheSneakyOne said...

Ben, I just read that thread, and I honestly cannot see where VBJ had an offense that is mutable.

I've seen far, far worse in Etc.

Jen Segrest (verybigjen) said...

Yeah WTF???

Did anyone think I was over the top? I'm sorry saying A2A was a "lamer" is just as lame without the bite of that "ass" on there. I am stunned they muted me for that.

Thank you Bitches! If I ever get unmuted I'll add that star to my av and banner - do you have them in a larger size?

SoCaliGirl said...

WTF?! I am speechless.

Jen Segrest (verybigjen) said...

Oh oh! and I thoguht it was HILARIOUS that A2A uses the word shit liberally but censors fuck to 'buck'.

I love inconsistency! I love etsy!

godot said...

I have. Short version: About 4 or 5 months old we are discussing the poor state of service on etsy and that every time the etsy 5 were mentioned the thread was closed.

She popped in and said go to "Rob Whites office hours chat, he'll fix everything" I paraphrased.

Someone popped in the thread and said, how nice she was for "sticking up her her husband", just so people would know who she was.

So, I convo'd her and told her it was inappropriate for her not to disclose in the thread (she posted 3 times) who she was. And since when could an admin affect any change on etsy?

Boy, did she let me have it. So, I forwarded the convo to RW. Never heard from either of them again.

godot said...

Oh, and Jen, I'm so sorry. A2A is over the top.

TheSneakyOne said...

godot, that is horrifying.

lucy said...

WWWWWTF?

VeryBigJen said nothing that was out of line. This is absurd!!
I thought she was being clever and handled her dispute with (the clearly child-minded) A2A very well. I was cheering!

So VBJ was muted under the suspicion of being an EB? Or is there something I'm missing?

TheSneakyOne said...

Lucy, I am unsure, but it sure looks that way, doesnt it?

wristeroni said...

Another ubiquitous "Wow. Just Wow." moment.

VBJ got the shaft for sure.

lucy said...

It does. And I seem to recall that the Etsy Admin have a fascination with any outside website that has to do with Etsy, with that fascination seeming borderline stalking. If so, I would definitely watch my back if I were one of the people in here posting under their etsy name. The Admin seem a little vindictive.

And I thought RW was one of the good guys. :(

godot said...

I'm afraid this will happen more and more. I see regulars leaving the forums lately.

Does admin think all of them are EB's?

TheSneakyOne said...

Lucy, I am unsure. If they did, it would behoove them to do better research.

impetuous said...

I found A2A quite amusing in that thread but I tend to enjoy incoherent asshatting. That said, I don't see where VBJ did anything particularly harsh, I mean what are you supposed to say when someone is losing it like that?

impetuous said...

Your poll is up Jen:
http://indienightmares.blogspot.com/

Congratulations on your award for valor!

The Righteous One said...

I just want to add that, if anyone else is muted for BS reasons, fire off that email to us!

Also, if you're unsure if it's BS, we're willing to take a look and let you know.

We can't promise an award of valor, but we'll sure as hell let everyone know what's going on!

The email's on the sidebar and we have chat clients or twitter as well.

tolazytologin said...

What a total bullshit muting.

eclipse said...

OMG. No fucking WAY! Jen was muted for that thread? She got called out over and over by someone who admitted they were TRYING to get the thread locked, and then called out AGAIN the next night in the very same thread, when she was not even posting! She is the VICTIM here and she is the one who got muted?
FOR FUCKS SAKE ROB!!! You know this is wrong.
I am just so utterly disgusted.
Jen showed amazing restraint in NOT taking the bait more than she did.
I have to wonder if she was really being muted for displaying an EB avatar overlay.

p.s. earth to idiots- the people displaying the EB avatars on Etsy are most likely NOT the owners of EB, use some fucking logic, if the owners are trying to stay anonymous then don't you think they would avoid any public connection to EB like an avatar???

SoCaliGirl said...

eclipse, then they should be muting me, Andy, Mezzo, Foxgloves and a few others.. Let's see if they do it now.

The Kinky One said...

Andy's avatar is fucking hilarious.

eclipse said...

they probably will wait until the lamest possible excuse, a cheerleader can say "fuck off, motherfucker" to you but if you say "wtf?" back then you will be muted.
The double standard here is just glaring and nauseating. I LIKE robwhite but I am disgusted with this turn of events.

Melissa / Snitches Get Stitches said...
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impetuous said...

ouch!

TheSneakyOne said...

*blinks* I am?

Hmm.

SnitchesGetStitches said...

If you hadn't spent so much time commenting on ThaiDreams and other accounts with the socali/sneakyone account, you might not have given yourself away. Screenshots? HMMM.

The Righteous One said...

Snitches - let's not bring personal battles here.

Any comments we've made on this blog are regarding admin's actions...what commenters say is their own opinion and should be taken up elsewhere.

Sneaky made a summation of his action in the post and said nothing about anyone else. The other person you name said nothing against anyone.

There was no call for what you said and personal attacks are not allowed. Your comment has been deleted. Take it up by email if you have a problem with that.

Snitches Get Stitches / Melissa said...

Really? Shouldn't the comments about his wife be deleted as well then?

The person that I named DID say something. I am 100% CERTAIN that thesneakyone IS socaligirl. Basically, I'm speaking to thesneakyone.

Look, I have no battles with anyone else. I just get very sick and tired of Angelica using thesneakyone as a means of attacking others because she doesn't have the balls to do it otherwise.

You can go ahead and say it. My comment was deleted to protect socaligirl's identity as thesneakyone.

Ben Can Dance Creations said...

And things get ugly.

I knew accusations about "who" you all were would soon start flying here.

Sigh....


And, I've never used anything but my real name to comment here, but if you think Admin. is out to get any person using their real Etsy name, now I'm wondering if I should be. :/

The Righteous One said...

Actually Snitches it was the attack on an innocent commenter that got your comment deleted.

You want to pick on us, bring it on! But leave others out of it.

Didn't you read the post? The reason we gave out this award of valor was because of someone dealing with shit like yours.

You can accuse or blame or lay identities on people you dislike all you want...it won't make it true.

Snitches Get Stitches / Melissa said...
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~B.Z. said...

I am so confused :P
I've known A2a for a long time and have NEVER seen her post like that ... and even so ... VBJ didn't say anything that was over the edge !

For God's sake, did you see the last few pages of that thread ? There was much heavier insults being slung about there then between a A2A and Jen *rolls eyes*

Of course, I'll never know if those individuals were muted too , because I just can't bring myself to read Etsy forums enough to see the big picture anymore ... it mostly turns my stomach ... so I click away from the forums :P

For the record, I have no problem with people who want to post anonymously to criticize Etsy ... it could cost you your store/account.

I do not, however think much of those who fling personal insults around either anonymously or with some kind of twisted logic as to why they are justified to do so :P

The Righteous One said...

"She's had it coming and now it's here."

That right there shows that this is a personal vendetta.

Knock it off.

Btw - it's impossible to be logged in with two identities on Google.

Ivydee said...

BCD, I've been having the same thoughts. I post under my real shop name as well. But truth be told, I don't spend much time on the forum boards anymore and only post occasionally for help or to give help. Whenever I start to get involved in the controversial stuff I get about half-way through my post and then realize... I just don't care anymore. Nothing I do or say is going to change what's happening there.

So I stick to the things I do care about... like what to do with my pickle.

Kind of sad, really.

Ivydee said...

Who is Rob's wife, btw?

Ben Can Dance Creations said...

"what to do with your pickle?"...why eat it of course!


Well, some of us aren't favorites of Admin anyway so using our real names here is probably suicide.

impetuous said...

I was wondering about a2a also. It was very late but that seemed too off for just being tired.

Snitches Get Stitches / Melissa said...

The personal attack is a RESPONSE to another personal attack. I'm throwing insults because she's doing the same.

I'm not sure if people think I'm posting anonymously, but I'm not. I'm SnitchesGetStitches on Etsy. I have never had a quarrel with anyone on Etsy, until now. Thesneakyone HAS attacked me personally in the past. I'm certain, behind YOUR back, she has attacked you as well. That's how she operates. Using different identities. I'm not fucking stupid and I know how she works.

Ivydee said...

I doubt it would be suicide but might get you muted from time to time though. Which at this point seems like a badge of honor! ;-)

I don't think I've ever even crossed Admins radar much less been one of their favorites. Never made the GG, Storque, etc. And I don't get sales from the forum, really, so muting wouldn't do much damage to me, and I'm not making sales hand over fist anyway so I guess I'm just not that worried about it.

But I can see how it can be worrisome.

Snitches Get Stitches / Melissa said...

The personal attack is a RESPONSE to another personal attack. I'm throwing insults because she's doing the same.

I'm not sure if people think I'm posting anonymously, but I'm not. I'm SnitchesGetStitches on Etsy. I have never had a quarrel with anyone on Etsy, until now. Thesneakyone HAS attacked me personally in the past. I'm certain, behind YOUR back, she has attacked you as well. That's how she operates. Using different identities. I'm not fucking stupid and I know how she works.

Snitches Get Stitches / Melissa said...

By the way, sorry for posting twice.

eclipse said...

I have a real problem with people guessing or speculating on who anonymous posters are and then punishing or blaming the wrong person. Maybe it's because the etsy 5 were CONSTANTLY being blamed for random anonymous shit that none of us had ANYthing to do with. People spread rumors I had a sock puppet, blahblahblah. Totally false and even worse- the member who was supposed to be my puppet is someone I loathe.
Of course we all have guesses about the bitches but if you guess wrong in public you have just harmed an innocent person. Verybigjen was HARMED by this incorrect guessing.
I just fuckin hate witch hunts.

The Righteous One said...

Well we definitely understand anonymity, so if you feel the need to go anon, Ben, then by all means, pick a name :)

SnitchesGetStitches said...

This is no guess. I've known for a while. It's a matter-of-fact situation.

impetuous said...

Here's a poll for you snitches.
http://indienightmares.blogspot.com/

eclipse said...

and actually if you have 2 browsers like IE and firefox then you can be logged into 2 accounts simultaneously.
NOT to support the accusation, just as a general technical fact.

Peldyn said...

I am just dumbfounded. I could give a rat's ass who writes this blog. But it steams me that people are accusing other people who may be innocent and harassing them. Not. Cool.
We are all entitled to our opinions of Etsy and Admin and whether we say it with our own names or under a nom de plume is nobody's fucking business!

Ben Can Dance Creations said...

Yes, that's true Eclipse. The Etsy 5 were blamed for everything.

Anonymous comments on blogs, sock puppet postings on Etsy, you-name-it.

And people speculated why each of us were banned when they had absolutely no clue. We didn't even have a clue, so how could they?!

woolies said...

this is crazy. Once again, admin pulls some SHIT, cause they have the power. Why in the entire fucking world would they mute VBJ?
That's just power and control. For no other reason than because they CAN.
And I guess NONE of us who post in this blog will ever be 'chosen' for the featured seller position.

just bitchy said...

Peldyn said...

I am just dumbfounded. I could give a rat's ass who writes this blog. But it steams me that people are accusing other people who may be innocent and harassing them. Not. Cool.
We are all entitled to our opinions of Etsy and Admin and whether we say it with our own names or under a nom de plume is nobody's fucking business!

June 28, 2008 8:37 PM
===============================

You are so right Peldyn.

* Etsy. Your place where everyone else's business is everyone else's business and where you will be hunted down like a dog whether or not the busy bodies, cheerleaders and second-guesser are right or wrong. Who needs accuracy, truth and justice? And if you happen to charge .25 more shipping than the label shows upon delivery you will suffer the rack. *

GROW UP!

MajorFuckingEtsyBurnout said...

Amen Peldyn & justbitchy.

just bitchy said...

P.S.

Etsy can kiss my anonymous ass as well as anyone who "thinks" or "suspects" they know who anyone else is when they don't.

GROW UP!

impetuous said...

remember Etsy Angels?


good times, good times.

*puts on steampunk helmet*

SnitchesGetStitches said...

Peldyn - I agree. I do not care who writes this blog. I care about thesneakyone and who she is because she uses this blog as a means to attack others because she seems to need to do so anonymously. Why is it okay for her to attack others, but I can't attack her?

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Kali said...

SnitchesGetStitches, it's not ok because a) you were told to "knock it off", and b) most of us don't give a fuck who thesneakyone really is, or what your personal problem with her is.

Sheesh, even my DOG knows what STOP means.

/me steals a certain steampunk helmet for a popcorn bowl and sits back to enjoy the trainwreck

impetuous said...

snitches. now that you have calmed down I would like to say that while EB has strayed into the realm of bashing people other than admin, they generally don't.

you obviously have feelings for Rob and his wife. strong enough for you to come here guns blazing and that's fine but everyone is entitled to anonymity on the www.

impetuous said...

*grabs helmet back violently spilling popcorn everywhere*

Popcorn in my HELMET! BLASPHEMY!

impetuous said...

*grabs helmet back violently spilling popcorn everywhere*

Popcorn in my HELMET! BLASPHEMY!

SnitchesGetSTitches said...

Well, you know, we all don't follow the rules. I'm quite independent and I do what I want.

I have no problem with those who post anonymously. I could care less.

She posts bullshit, I respond. What's so wrong with that? WHY is it that it's okay for thesneakyone to do these things and I can't? I'm not even anonymous.

Why is everyone so scared? Really?

SnitchesGetStitches said...

impetuous - it's not just about Rob and his wife. It's about me as well. I fell out with her last year when she became a cunt toward everyone. I told her how I felt. She comes to me [and others] face to face and "oh hugs, i love you, blah blah blah". Then, turns around and uses EtsyBitch as means to attack under thesneakyone. It's just so impersonal.

It's really funny that she posts responses to her own EtsyBitch remarks with her personal account. Isn't that tacky?

Ben Can Dance Creations said...

The only thing anyone is scared of is waking up to a brick wall instead of their Etsy store.

I don't think anyone posting or commenting on this blog is afraid of much else (including being outspoken or voicing their opinion)

Sonya said...

I think you're mistaking "not wanting to feed your mentally unbalanced obsession" with "fear"

Not everyone that disagrees with you is afraid of you. Some just are waiting for your medication to kick in.

BLA BLA said...

snitches...whatever your issues are with whoever, how boutcha try emailing THAT PERSON DIRECTLY? Christ this is a post about forum muting for fucks sake.

Sonya said...

(that was for snitches, if that wasn't clear)

The Righteous One said...

We may be lazy/lax but we TRY to enforce some semblance of rules we've set up, which includes not attacking commenters who have not said anything about you. Personal grievances should be aired elsewhere, regardless of whether you think they posted here anonymously.

However, we WILL say things about admin. It's part of the fact that they work where they do.

If that's going to ruffle your feathers then it's best you not read this blog.

SnitchesGetStitches said...

It's just an Etsy account. I'm sure Etsy has more to do than hunt down a miniscule percentage [.0000001] of people and what they are doing offsite.

And if they are, fuck 'em.

Ben Can Dance Creations said...

Really not cool to come here calling someone a cunt because they choose to post anonymously.

just bitchy said...

I'm not afraid of anything. I don't have the time or energy to deal with endless nasty-grams from cheerleaders, syncophants, kool-aid drinkers, minions of the favored ones, groupies and garden variety wack-jobs who have nothing better to do than harass other sellers who don't toe the etsy-lala-land-unicorns, ponies and glitter bullshit party line.

The best part is when they take it off esty to your website and fuck with your business.

There are some seriously fucked up people on etsy and they can kiss my ass too.

GROW UP!

Kali said...

One person's "bullshit" is often another person's truth.

Furthermore, the majority of people here are "anonymous" whether we sign in with our "real names" or not. Kali is my "real name" but it is not the only name I go by. Does that mean my words mean less because I'm not using the name Etsy people know me by? Even the people who frequent EB who "know" who I am, don't really know me. I could just be another 500 pound woman in a dirty housecoat.

/me wonders if she should have chosen jellybeans instead of popcorn

SnitchesGetStitches said...

Medication? Lots of people need medication for various purposes. Personally, I commend those who realize they need it and approach it with open arms.

What you don't realize is that I am calm.

It seems some of this has turned into a personal attack on me. Obviously some do not follow their own advice/rules.

The Righteous One said...

Victim complex much?

Ben Can Dance Creations said...

Snitches, YOU are the one coming here stating that you "know for a fact" who one of the Etsy Bitches is and calling them a cunt.

That seems like attacking to me...

SnitchesGetStitches said...

just bitchy... quit bitching then if you don't have the time or patience.

Sonya said...

"Lots of people need medication for various purposes."

clearly.

snitchesgetstitches said...
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snitchesgetstitches said...

Hey, I also don't deny medication. Want the truth? I have nothing to hide. I take Zoloft. So fucking what? Do you really think you're proving something by this? I don't hide. I'm not afraid.

just bitchy said...

Why don't you email the object of your obsession snitches and spare us your rants.

I'm here to bitch, which is the purpose of this board, you're here for a personal vendetta.

GROW UP and take it to email.

impetuous said...

snitches, did you know that most people think Etsy Angels suck hairy balls and not gorilla tit?

just saying.

*wishes her helmet were filled with "medication" and not greasy butter!*






please pass the jelly beans.

snitchesgetstitches said...

Oh, and having a right to post anonymously obviously forfeits your right to have balls.

Sonya said...

"Do you really think you're proving something by this? "

I guess not. It's really not funny to make fun of someone for being crazy if it's really true. Then it's just sad.

eclipse said...

I'm sure Etsy has more to do than hunt down a miniscule percentage [.0000001] of people and what they are doing offsite.
...
They do have other things to do and they SHOULD be doing those things instead of lurking here all day and night, but I think VBJ's completely undeserved muting has proved that they are STILL punishing people for what they do OUTSIDE of etsy. Because there was nothing that VBJ said on that thread which deserved a muting, much less a 7-day muting!

snitchesgetstitches said...

I'm grown, thank you very much. I work a full-time job, pay my own bills, run an Etsy shop, have a car, married to a wonderful man, etc etc etc. I'm bitching just like you. My bitching has progressed a bit [albeit tiny] from thesneakyone to those that are bitching to me. Do I not have a right to bitch like you? I'm bitching back.

MajorFuckingEtsyBurnout said...
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The Righteous One said...

Or maybe people have lives! Not all of us are all logged on all the time or at any given moment.

By the way, attacking someone often results in them not wanting to talk to you.

If you want a response from either party you are addressing...then ummm, I don't know, email them.

Kali said...

So then, does that mean that all these people are also the EB user "thesneakyone"

http://www.google.com/search?q=thesneakyone&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Wow, sneaky, you get around a lot!

Correlation does not equal causation.

marie said...

snitches:
what I don't get- who gives a fuck about what someone says on the internet??? Unless a bitch is willing to come to me in Texas and talk shit, I really could care less what you have to say. Talk all the shit you want, someone on the internet is NOTHING to me.

Are they stopping you from paying your bills? Defaming you (as in if you went to court, you'd have a case)? Stealing from you? Did they threaten you or your family? If not, let the shit go.

snitchesgetstitches said...

sonya - You don't bother me. If you're not concerned with me and you think it's so "sad" to be me, go do something else with your time.

By the way, I love my life. Most cannot say that.

Sonya said...

I'm not trying to bother you. I truly feel sorry for anyone THAT bitter and THAT disturbed that has nothing better to do than to pursue some insane Internet obsession.

It truly is sad.

impetuous said...

see, now I am wishing you were anonymous snitch. that was way too much information, the job, the car, the husband, the shop, the zoloft... the post is about VBJ's award for VALOR! get with the program.

snitchesgetstitches said...

I'm not contacting her directly because I don't know anything but her Etsy username and she's too afraid to confront me in person. She will not speak to me in any other fashion and obviously she doesn't wish to do so here either.

just bitchy said...

You sure do seem like a big, glowing ball of life loving sunshine and lollipops glass half full type, snitches.
*rolls eyes*

Jesus.

just bitchy said...

P.S.

I would ignore a hysterical stalker, too, snitches.

Just a tip, oh life loving one.

The Kinky One said...

Jeebus!

You sure do have a hard-on for a fight tonight dontcha Stitches?

Folks, I think this is our second official trainwreck at EB. Not to mention a thread hijack.

We're here to bitch about the fact that Verybigjen was muted for bullshit reasons, I could care less if you 'think' (using the term loosely) that you know the identity one of us bitches.

So what? We're anonymous because Etsy has a nice little history of being really shitty to critics. Even critics who have busted their ass promoting and supporting Etsy in the past.

Take it to email or convo.

The Kinky One said...

Save some jellybeans and popcorn for me please! I'm off to bed.

Ben Can Dance Creations said...

How come people always refer to their husbands as my "wonderful husband" or their children as "beautiful children". What if the husband is just mediocre and the kids butt-ugly?

Why must everything be wonderful and beautiful?

*Just an off-topic observation*

snitchesgetstitches said...

I'm sorry you feel so Sonya. I didn't know I meant so much to you.

impetuous - Sorry for the information. Erase it from memory. I'm not afraid to admit I'm on Zoloft. Just trying to clear that up. Hence the mentioning part. SOMEONE else thought it was quite funny to point out that I might be on medication. I'm defending myself.

Marie - this isn't just "online". I know her in real life, unfortunately.... through street teams.

help me i'm falling said...

Ignoring the nasty troll might make it go away.

snitchesgetstitches said...

bencandance - because he is wonderful. what's wrong with that? It's awesome to be married to someone that is like a best friend instead of just being a fuckstick.

And children, to be frank, I hate children. Hence, I don't have any.

Does that explain it?

Morrigan said...

You wouldn't have to defend yourself if you didn't start attacking someone who's clearly not online and calling her a cunt. I'm sure the bitches can take it, but it's ignorant to throw words like that around about another seller.

Why would you expect anyone here to give you the time of day?

snitchesgetstitches said...

Trolls are interesting. I used to have Treasure Trolls when I was a kid. Fun times.

And actually, I'm about to part ways. Finding dinner somewhere is next on the agenda.

You know, call me a stalker if you will. If you pay any attention, most people have no fucking idea who I am. Why? Because I don't spend time bitching about how Etsy is an evil satan demon place preparing to destroy your life.

I also don't post like a crazy maniac on Etsy forums. Actually, very rarely.

I'm not stalking her. I have no desire to ever see her again. She knows that. So what if I know a few things. That doesn't always mean I'm being a psycho-stalker. If you think so, then be it.

I'm out. Perhaps we'll meet again.

eclipse said...

snitches I think you might need your own blog. You clearly have a lot of opinions on various things OTHER than the subject of this thread.
Which is verybigjen, btw, and the injustice that was done to her.

Peldyn said...

sigh, this topic has been thoroughly derailed.

Sorry VBJ. I guess you were just the spark that set this thread on fire! LOL

Now, who had the popcorn last?

lucy said...

Snitches,
Grow some balls and get out of here. So what if you have a problem with her. Why are you shitting all over this post? If I were VBJ I would be insulted, this is supposed to be a Valor Party.

P.s. I'm sooo jealous of the house-husband-kid-crazy meds combination.

loving the drama said...

dude. who the fuck needs soap operas when you have Etsy Bitch?

this blog should be turned into a reality show. Of course everyone would have their faces blurred and their voices disguised, but damn!

I would watch.

Wende said...

I'm sorry VBJ: that you ended up muted and that this valor party lacks good booze.

impetuous said...

"Trolls are interesting. I used to have Treasure Trolls when I was a kid. Fun times."
_____


BORING!

Peldyn said...

damn, you are right wende, now who forgot the scotch?

Ben Can Dance Creations said...

Yes, let's do this every night. :)


I hope BigJen appreciated the entertainment EB hired in honor of her celebration.

The Righteous One said...

Tequila anyone?

Peldyn said...

pass the lime!

Lucy said...

I want the worm!

loving the drama said...

it's over? .....is she gone??


NOOOOOOOOOO!


I'm an insomniac and I need entertainment! :(

Kali said...

I suppose I could make some margaritas.../me eyes the steampunk helmet

If the Bitches had a forum, I wouldn't have to pretend to feel guilty about helping derail a thread.

I don't think it's a total derailment, though, because it brings up a few good points:

1) Many people think that Etsycorp is still punishing people for off-Etsy activity, either real or imagined (mostly imagined)

2) There is question of whether RobWhite has been sucked of his humanity. Which, IMHO, would be just as much of a tragedy as anything else.

3) VBJ's muting certainly is a good argument for using pseudonyms when being critical of Etsycorp.

Peldyn said...

LOL, fortunately for you there is enough fodder in the forums if you look hard enough.

Simone said...

*Raises glass to VBJ and all other victims of ... whatever that was*

The Angsty One said...

Get a life. You need to step away from that computer for a bit and make some real friends with real lives.

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SnitchesGetStitches said...
June 28, 2008 7:44 PM

Snitches Get Stitches / Melissa said...
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Snitches Get Stitches / Melissa said...
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snitchesgetstitches said...
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snitchesgetstitches said...
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snitchesgetstitches said...
June 28, 2008 9:44 PM

You were saying something about someone needing a life?

Peldyn said...

yes, snitches was a case of pot, meet kettle!

or she just needed more alcohol

I know, I need more alcohol!

impetuous said...

"There is question of whether RobWhite has been sucked of his humanity."
_____

there's a poll in here somewhere, I am sure of it.

impetuous said...

*completely wasted from helmet*


angsty made me piss my pnts...

wristeroni said...

DING! DING! DING! Round Over . . . the winning post goes to Angsty!

Andy Mathis said...

oh, man.

I finally made it through all the comments. Party in here on Sat night, ain't it?

Sorry you got muted over that thread, VBJ.

eclipse said...

pot, meet pipe.
meet fire.
ahh, that's better.

The Dangerous Mezzo said...

Heavens to Etsy -- what can one say?

This trainwreck is certainly worthy of the Fora at its best :)

verybigjen -- I'm a proud owner of one of your eyeball pincushions, and I'm very sorry to hear you've been muted for such a lame-o reason.

I'm having a hard time getting my head around the fact that it was RobWhite who muted you -- I really thought he was a pretty good guy. I guess they've got to him. Pity.

I still have my Windys protest avatar up -- I'm going to switch it right now to the Mute Salute, just in case Etsy Admin are muting people with EB elements in their avatars. Hard to imagine why else jen got muted.

impetuous said...

it's a fucking mystery.



*puts on helmet to think*

wormwoodnrue said...

Holy fucking crap.
If you whiny cunts spent half the time working your businesses as you do bitching about etsy, you might be somewhere in life.

Step away from the screens and get your lard asses off your computer chairs. Do us all a favor and get some fresh air. There is more to life than etsy, or just bitching about it.
For fucks sake. You really need fucking lives.

impetuous said...

which one of you knuckle heads voted "she is totally out of control" on VBJ poll???!

j. hart photography said...

holy crap. i couldn't even read all through these comments. it is over the TOP that she got muted after the other person saying over and over for the thread to be reported. i thought the response was totally tongue in cheek and not even remotely offensive.

was it really more about her avatar? because i've seen so much worse. and even recently seen admin say 'because we're trying to be more consistent'. i wish i had the link to that one.

Kali said...

Ooooh, see, now THAT'S the kind of troll that's worth ignoring! *snort*

godot said...

Oh, my.
I am not an EB. I am not thesneakyone. I do not use my real name on this blog ( thank you EB's) because I still sell on etsy. I have seen their ineptitude and watched bannings and brick walls. And I will not allow that to happen to me.
I posted about Rob White and my experience with is wife on the forums. I've never met them or any other admin.
Sitiches, what you said was etsy in a nutshell. You said RW was "only doing his job." And then you made it personal, it's not personal, it's business. What RW did to VBJ was wrong, motivated by supposition that she was an EB, and simply mean.
When your employer asks you do do something and it is wrong,morally wrong, you don't do it. Rob White is an employee and I do not respect what he did.
A culture that allows it's administration to treat the sellers the way they do, will be the demise of the corporation.
I hope this clears things up, stitches, because, you really were so wrong.

Paula B said...

*delurks*
I agree Mezzo - it's mute salute av time for me now! No more moving sale for Etsy, everything decent is going away - Etsy doesn't deserve to have my creations on its pages!

The forums are going to suck with VBJ muted. The B.S. to sheer awesomeness ratio is going to get all borked.

*relurks*

Andy Mathis said...

Does anyone know if Cheri- Art2Art- was muted also because of that exchange?

impetuous said...

now that is a GOOD question Andy!

sadandpathetic said...

Oh my god, I better log onto the etsy fora and see what kind of negativity I can feed off of today...because...i'm just pathetic like that!
check out my shop at LoserVille@etsy.com!
brb!

impetuous said...

sadandpathetic said...
"Oh my god, I better log onto the etsy fora and see what kind of negativity I can feed off of today...because...i'm just pathetic like that!
check out my shop at LoserVille@etsy.com!
brb!"
_________

Rokaaaaliii! You know that's not your email!!!!

Jen Segrest (verybigjen) said...

Hey folks, I was out watching Wall-E (wonderful, sniff, beautiful, sniff, fantastic.. sniff sniff! Go see it! Now! Be sure to take lots of Kleenex).

I come back to this shit? Holy pot smoking donkey Jesus folks, don't any of you get laid?

You know what people? it doesn't matter who the Bitches are. Not a damn bit. As far as I am concerned hey are the French resistance of Etsy and deserve all the support we can give them. Viva la resistance!

And that said let it be known after this shit I'll be happy to transport messages in my ass if that's what it requires. Just let me know when and where!

ebbandflo said...

sorry you got muted for Nothing At All VBJ

Ben - i have a wonderful husband and a beautiful child, please spank me

.... and for those of you still listening, Rokali has admitted in public on his first (and only) podcast, that offsite behaviour is considered when assessing your suitability for inclusion in the Etsy community. Since the great man said it himself, I guess this does confirm that sectors of Etsy are actually involved in scanning other sites for in-Etsylike behaviour.

Just a thought to leave you with .......

Colleen said...

I just discovered this site a few weeks ago. I'm disgusted with etsy for many of the same reasons you all are. For me, its more about the holier than thou, rude, whiny assholes, and less about admin.

Really doesn't matter, as I've all but taken my shop completely down.
But after reading this entire section, that reads like a nasty little high school bitchslapfest, I'm even less impressed.

I don't quite understand how sitting around bitching is going to change anything for the better. I also don't understand how hiding under multiple screennames, attacking others, benefits your business.

Be pro-active. Go create something, you'll all feel better.

Don't bother responding, I won't be back. I don't thrive on negativity.

no one you know said...

Look MA, I'm Nonomiss!!

I like VBJ's work. I haven't had a lot of contact with her. But it's always been pleasant. I was there reading when the shit hit the fan. She was probably way more composed than I'd have been.

If you're going to ban on, ban them both.

And WTF crawled up puss's ass an died a thousand times?



PS. I'm a major BenCanDance fan. swoon.

WindysDesigns said...

Sorry Jen, I can sure relate, as I was unfairly muted as well.

Sometimes I wish the report this post was just one button to report the whole thread so admin is forced to read the whole thing and not take one post out of context. There are very often extenuating circumstances that push threads to go in the directions they do with the responses that are given.

I can't prove it, but I have heard that I am suspected of being one of the bitches myself, and wouldn't be surprised if it had a hand in my muting as well.

Hang tough Jenn, a week isn't so bad.

no one you know said...

*Love my life*

*is not on Zoloft*


Do you still love your life when the Zoloft wears off? I always wondered that. Don't those drugs increase suicidal thoughts?

Kali said...

Wow, this whole entry really brought out the trolls and ijits, didn't it?

If you're going to say something that people will listen to, use your brain, not that ass you appear to be talking out of.

I would elaborate, but my laptop battery is at about 2%, so all you smart people who are doing better things with your time than bitching (like bitching about people bitching) will have to figure it out for yourselves.

eclipse said...

"For me, its more about the holier than thou, rude, whiny assholes,"

"I won't be back. I don't thrive on negativity."
"Go create something, you'll all feel better."
-------------
*blink*
*blinkblink*

free cupcakes to the first person who can spot the irony.

Elizabeth said...

VBJ, I raise a glass to you! Etsy has committed another injustice - I'm sorry. :(

lucinda aka Cindy said...

VBJ, you got muted for THAT?

Very sad here.

We'reAllTheSameOnePerson said...

Just wanted to say that I'm really sick of reading about people bitching about people bitching about people bitching.

Don't bother to respond to this. I'll read it, but I don't want you to know I will. As far as you know, I'm never coming back here to read all your bitching because I'm better than you.

*schnarf*

Simone said...

As far as I'm concerned, pointing out Etsy's failings and inconsistencies is actually part of running my business!

If Etsy could truly get its act together I feel entirely certain that my bottom line would improve and probably quite well. So it is in the interests of my own business (and all of the other businesses like mine that I'd like to see make a go of things) that I complain when I think it's warranted.

But instead of getting its act together, Etsy does things like telling me to be excited because they've managed to waste who knows how many man hours creating 100-plus videos (not one of which I've ever watched, probably because of all of the time I waste renewing, clicking buttons unnecessarily to put my items in sections or to rearrange my featured items, sifting my favourites to find something specific in the hundreds of shops I have listed, etc.). And that's just one small example from the last few days alone.

kiss said...

Okay, this is killing me...

who is RobWhite's wife????

Elizabeth said...

xiane.

the clueless one said...

I just want to say how much I hate holier-than-thou bitches who think they are better than everyone.
They are obviously just jealous because I'm so much better and more successful than them.
I also hate low class cunts and bitches who swear too much.
And people who sit at home on a Saturday night posting on blogs are pathetic and need to get a life.
There is more to life than etsy, or just bitching about it.
There's also blogs, and Flickr, and myspace, and bitching about other Etsy users and their blogs. Widen your horizons people!
And don't even get me started on cowards who hide behind anonymity to insult strangers with petty junior high cheap shots. They all suck ass, and are probably ugly and fat too, and have excessive nipple hair.
The ones I hate MOST are the hypocrites who judge everyone else's behavior super harshly and then do the exact same thing themselves.

What?

Peldyn said...

Some people's lids have been twisted on too tight O_o
I am off to find my dirty flannel housecoat to wrap around my 500lb ass and sit back and eat butter sticks rolled in sugar. Anyone care to join me?

silver-gwyn said...

GETTING BACK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND, you fucking ijits (I'm only referring to just a few of you - the rest of you know who they are) ... Jen, you did not deserve to be muted. A2A should be the one muted, if anybody in that thread. IF you went against the forums TOU (which I just didn't see it), then she certainly did. And I think muting only happens after repeatable offenses - I haven't seen that from you. I makes me think it's the EB thing that was brought up - and being muted just for that is completely ridiculous.

I give you the Mute Salute, and hope to see you back in the forums in a week.

Grace said...

Hey Jen, welcome to Banned Camp! I'll be your counselor for today...

For every intelligent poster who gets banned, there will be 5 more newbies who post things like "Hai, I just made my first sell, what do I do nao? BTW, I love Etsy! You guyz rock!"

And everyone's IQs drop another point from the painful stupid.

silver-gwyn said...

Peldyn, I'll join you, since it's something everybody here apparently are prone to do ...

Peldyn said...

no offense taken here, silver-qwyn

I have to say that I was pretty surprised at A2A's behaviour. I have no idea what got into her and why it was directed at VBJ, who was remarkably restrained.

silver-gwyn said...

(Peldyn, you know I was referring to an idiotic post made earlier about lard asses, right? say yes ... :)

Peldyn said...

LOL, yes

I am working on my paypal widget right now. I just added it to my blog!

caethes said...

I can't read what happened cos Etsy is down. Again. Like it was yesterday. But that, apparently, isn't Etsy's fault.

But it says much that even without reading all the responses here I can guess what happened and I'm not surprised?

eclipse said...

caethes Etsy is not down, but there are people who can't access it because they are moving their servers. News here
and workarounds in the comments

caethes said...

Thanks eclipse - sorry, I was being mildly sarcastic after the somewhat unhelpful 'well we dunno whats wrong - must be you lot' attitude I saw on my (brief) visit to the forums last night.

hella said...

WJW

Hang in there, Jen!

Morrigan said...

Peldyn,

You almost made me pee my pants.

Pass me one of those sugared butter sticks please.

etsyfree said...

So xiane is robwhite's wife? Interesting.

snitches and xiane are friends - wonder if that's what made her come in here with both guns blazing?

Anyway, sorry about your muting Jen!

godot said...

So, snitches, you live in the same town as Xiane and RW. And that makes his actions ok?

WJW, Pass those butter sticks.

So, the anonymous posters who "hate" EB but hang on every word, are they admin or cheerleaders?

Enquiring minds want to know.

wtf said...

apparently xiane and snitches are more than friends.

From xiane's profile:
~ CHECK IT OUT! Xiane and SnitchesGetStitches have joined forces to create Coffin Color Mineral Eyeshadows - http://coffincolor.etsy.com - Makeup for your Rock'N'Roll Lifestyle!

27 said...

For those that haven't realized it yet, Etsy has turned into a really bad adaptation of survivor. Go! Go to tribal counsel and vote now! Vote early and vote often! The more you push the "report this thread" button, the more likely that your least favorite Etsy member will be the next competitor voted off the Etsy island!!



Sorry about your muting, Jen.

The Disgruntled One said...

That's sad but true, 27. "Etsy Survivor".

forum rubbernecker said...

From xiane's profile:
~ CHECK IT OUT! Xiane and SnitchesGetStitches have joined forces to create Coffin Color Mineral Eyeshadows - http://coffincolor.etsy.com - Makeup for your Rock'N'Roll Lifestyle!
_________________
The plot thickens. I am never surprised when this sort of thing is discovered.
VBJ --Sorry! :-(

~B.Z. said...

WOW.
Sorry this thread about the injustice to VBJ got so offtrack ...
But really, it didn't.

See, this all boils down to taking things so personally and out of context ....

I have no great love of RobW, but did at one time think he had a better head on his shoulders than all of the other forum moderators. I also don't see his muting of Jen as a reflection on him personally. SUPPOSEDLY , mutings are supposed to happen AFTER a group discussion, but we all know that if Rokali wants something, he gets it :P

On the issue of Xiane ... apparently she stated three times in a thread that she was RobW's wife ? Do you really blame her for that after seeing so damn many threads by cheerleaders fawning over him ? :P *makes yuk face*

Perhaps she was " inappropriate ", IDK , but I liken it to politics ... the wifes of politicians ( or people in power ) always seem to be fair game for picking on them or judging them ...either way ... if RobW is criticized for an action he takes as an Etsy Admin, Xiane shouldn't take it personally.....

and her friends shouldn't come in here all fired up slinging their own insults and speculations ... two wrongs don't make a right and all that :P

~B.Z. said...

Ack !
Wifes = wives :P

impetuous said...

well, that was fun.

I would like to sum up my feeeeelings by saying I am anonymous to heighten my level of entertainment. I do not care about the wrath of Etsy, a phrase I can hardly type without bursting into laughter. I am also not the least bit concerned about showing "balls".

I will be mad at anyone who ruins my good time or fucks with my steampunk helmet. That's the extent of it.

I suggest, for anyone who has a strong opinion about anonymity or other big Etsy topics, that can't keep their shit together, to simply cast your vote in a poll and be done with it, rather than crashing an EB Valor Party.

Grace said...

Oh noes, our troll is a MOLE! Everybody hide!

Interesting little plot development. I wonder if there will be a sequel.

ShrugItOff said...

Oh yes. I'm sure there will be a Part II. It seems to be that when one attacker comes, many more feel brave enough to join in. And what is the deal with all the 'fat ass' comments? geeeeeeeeeeez. It's a put-down as sophisticated as Jr. High.

NoOneYouKnow- seriously, what is up with PussDaddy and trying to lock ruin and otherwise sabotage every single fucking thread?!!