Friday, October 1, 2010

Etsy Alternative #13 - Cargoh

In this continuing series, we bring you a review of alternative selling venues, website hosting services, shopping carts, and basically anything else that you can use to sell your lovely
handcrafted goods. Today's feature is the marketplace Cargoh

Tagline: Social marketplace for independent art, design and culture

Company information: Based on Vancouver, BC, Canada and the creation of Paul & Cariann Burger with 2 FT and 5 PT employees. As of 10/1/10, Cargoh lists 4 thousand items from 425 stores. International.

Items that can be sold: Cargoh does not specify handmade but defines acceptable products as “an eclectic collection of well designed goods in a balanced marketplace." They specifically do not accept resale items or supplies. (They've taken down the FAQ to update them, but here are the Terms of Use)

Who can sell: Cargoh started out accepting all sellers but now prescreens applications by a criteria listed on their Sell Page: Great Design, Great Photos, Know Who You Are. Some sellers who set up shops before prescreening went into effect were "un-accepted" by the site and notified by email a couple of weeks ago.

Cost: No listing fees, 3.5% sales transaction fee, door open to future monthly subscription fee.

Front Page Features: Thumbnails of products fill the top of the front page and are accessed as “All” “Newest” and “Most Popular". The bottom of the front page includes a Featured Seller, and Things We Love (which is the same feature in their blog) which are selected by the site owners. There's also an official Cargoh store (sound familiar?)

Storefront: Products and pictures are loaded on a one page template, the 2nd page lets the seller assign a SKU and inventory level. Listings can be either “activate” or “inactive” and appear on the Seller Dashboard in 2 distinct sections only while in Editing Mode. To view traffic to your store, the inactive and active items are listed together. Categories and Tags are being redefined and added as the site adds more sellers and product listings.

Features/Seller Tools: Banner, Avatar, store policies, Shipping Templates, Unlimited listings & photos, inventory control, and Google Analytics. Your store can be integrated with Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and other social media outlets. You can also add video and music.
Once you list your item for the first time, it goes to the front of the queue when viewers access products by Category from the main Search function and as a Front Page feaure under "Newest".

Payment Processors: Paypal

Community: Blog with a site-selected promo section, news and help, plus an opt-in Newsletter. The site also has an Events section accessed from top menu where members can list events using a same-page template on the right hand side of the page.

Customer Service: email only, but they usually respond within a couple of hours. They have a Twitter and Facebook page also.

Impressions from The Funny One: I've used the site every day for 2 months. Navigation for sellers around the site is still fairly awkward and inefficient, especially when you need to edit listings or any other sections of the store. You have to keep going up to the top of the page to click on "Dashboard" to return back to the editing section of your store.

There is currently no function for rearranging items in your shop so the most recently listed items appear last (instead of first).

Your product photos in your storefront are cropped in an odd way, which doesn't allow a full thumbnail view, you have to click on each item to see the first full image. They also have a SALE designation on the listing template, but if you pick that, a big red slash labeled "SALE" shows up and obscures the initial thumbnail.

While the site is still working out exactly how it wants to present itself, their Front Page looks like most other sites for this kind of marketplace format, and the 2 Promo Boxes are standard and selected by the site owners. Sellers don’t currently have any access to within-site ads or promotions. Links to FB and Twitter are offered now on most marketplace sites, so those features are nothing new.

A recent article about the site in AuctionBytes noted in an interview with the Burgers that Cargoh is making a concerted effort to differentiate itself from Etsy, which it sees as “female and craft centered”, by focusing on the indie market. What this actually means isn’t clear. However, it is what new sites are trying to address — to appeal to and attract sellers who want to find an alternative to Etsy because of Etsy’s size which just hit 7 million listings and a flood of changes that don't seem to have much logic & have dramatically and negatively affected many sellers’ ability to attract traffic and sales.

There's no doubt that there are plenty of sellers to fill the pages of the new Cargoh.com, but only time will tell whether or not they are able to define and find the right shopping audience AND come up with the right mix of seller-tools that work. Since we have 6 years of experience with marketplace sites, what sellers need is well-known; sites that don't address this may ultimately not be able to recruit enough sellers to achieve financial viablility which results from their ability to drive traffic and sales.

Right now, there are too many similarities to other sites to make it stand out as something new for sellers looking for a better marketplace model. The big plus is that they prescreen their sellers which may give them a leg up as they further define themselves and try to stand out from the crowd of all-too-similar marketplace sites.

It's a perfect time to figure out whether or not a new site can attract traffic and sales because we're fast approaching the holiday season for retail. Sellers who are accepted at Cargoh.com may find traffic and sales success that are now out of reach on Etsy. Listings are free, so if you make it through the approval process, it's certainly worth a try.

40 Comments:

Evermore Organics said...

I would like to hear more about shopping carts from you guys. I use ZenCart right now and I'm not thrilled. Also, have you guys looked into the 1000Markets/Bonanza thing? Their shipping calculator MAKES SENSE, and the batch edit thing is a dream.

Stacey said...

Love Cargoh. I've had regular email & Twitter contact with them since I was accepted in August. Couldn't ask for more in-touch admins.

Yes, the whole email rejection fiasco in the summer hurt them... but since, I think they've done some pretty good work on the site. I'd like a better search function and a way to rearrange my shop, but for the most part, I'm quite happy. The integration of social media is nifty, too.

And they're Canadian, and I'm Canadian...can't help but root for them :)

The Righteous One said...

Just a reminder that when you post comments, do not call out Etsy sellers. We try to avoid personal attacks that aren't focused on Etsy itself.

Feel free to suggest an alternative but avoid mentioning that it's a good place because [seller name] isn't there.

Melany said...

I've been around the place a bit, and my impression is that the people who run this place have the potential to be every bit as intensely irritating as the people who run Etsy.

Cargoh said...

Thanks for the write up. We appreciate the honest opinions! Cheers

The Funny One said...

New marketplace-format sites that clearly have stars in their eyes about the reported $$$$$ success of Etsy would do better if they switched to a seller-centric perspective. Most of the answers and solutions are with sellers who now have 6 years of extraordinary online experience to offer. Sellers know what works and what doesn't.
The first step is to hire (as a consultant) at least one experienced seller to use their site as a seller to provide continual feedback to help set up the templates and systems to make them efficient and site-product-centric. Set the quality bar and keep it up there.
The 2nd step is to continue to focus on matching their sellers/products to their shoppers from the get-go; don't stray from that objective because you'll end up like Etsy, a churning flea market that lost its identity and doesn't know what it is. (A site based on listing fees profits is only interested in the volume of listings.)
Avoid the glaring mistakes of Etsy and Etsy-clones who quickly forgot to include the seller and the product in their quest for success.
Without sellers, you have no product, no shoppers, and no identity and no purpose.
If your sellers aren't happy, you aren't going to have happy shoppers.
And then you'll have nothing to sell -- including your marketplace identity, reputation and ability to attract traffic and sales.
Sellers who make and sell handmade have skills and talents that are well-suited to figuring out what will work for selling these unique products online, you just have to work on including them!

SusanA said...

I haven't gone to cargoh since I asked for pricing of an account and was told my stuff wasn't their style (not that I gave any indication that I even had a store or what I sold) but I decided to check it out.
I just noticed it is very anti-user friendly. There is a sticky bar with tutorial link and login but simply scrolling to see the items, means the shop button is gone.
I was trying to use search, clicking on the eye for a while until I realized it worked using the enter key.
I saw in the forums that search is purely title- I used their example "blue earrings" and got 2 items. It is really not user friendly in anyway.
It's part of their look but banners that take up more than half the screen are great for artists but again as buyer it is overwhelming.

The Cranky One said...

I think one thing that people mistake in these alt venues is always assuming people come in the front door to look for something specific.

IF the site is done right, they aren't concerned about internal traffic as much in external. Etsy only cares about it's sellers buying from other sellers, floating that same $20 around over an over. The built this buying machine that eats itself.

How most other sites are is a venue that brings in outside buyers to a specific store that had something specific they searched for from a search engine. They might get there then use search to go "oh while I'm here" but the vast amounts of their traffic aren't from members, it's everyone else, those "uniques".

The uniques mean more than the addicts. Etsy is full of addicts.

Cargoh as far as I've noticed has always sold itself more a a shopping cart package. You get your own shop, you can personalize it with their tools and it's YOURS to promote, they just offer the service you use instead of hiring someone to make you a site with zencart or something.

None of these other approaches is necessarily wrong - but it is shortsighted and misinformed to assume they all have to be like etsy to be successful because etsy is the name everyone knows. Some do what they do extremely well without copying the etsy model which as we all agree is largely a clusterfuck for sellers and breeds this rabid desperate seller climate that only feeds the boiling hatred for other sellers because of the cliques Etsy has fostered with their personal tastes and friendships.

sark said...

I admit that I'm dead freaking tired, and my head is spinning, figuratively, of course...

Interestingly enough, I just clicked on Cargoh & saw one of the etsy favs on their home page (and since it isn't anyone I've ever met) I just laughed out loud. Seriously, I mean this as some quasi-anonymous fav who I have never seen post in the forums or on twitter or otherwise interacted with in any way shape or form - so, wow, you know, I wonder if we'll be seeing the end of her run as an etsy fav — that kind of "laughed out loud"

It's been fun to stop by Artfire and Zibbet and see who else realizes that there are other fish in the sea, and quite frankly, other oceans.

This one looks better than say "Big Cartel." At least the first thing I see is other shit by other people. The idea that as a "person who makes things" I have all fucking day to sit in front of my computer and be on the internet trying to draw in customers — it's absurd.

The duty of the venue is to bring actual customers to it's customers — the sellers.

This one looks promising, and at least the layout is modern & professional and not full of crappy children's drawings... nothing really frosts my cheerios more than things that make a site look the fucking babysitter's club...

At the same time, and my god, I am a fucking slacker, this one does have a little lilt of 'hipster' to it's atmosphere. I mean, for fuck's sake "tattoo" is a category under art? Okay, so there are no products in it as I type this...

At the present moment, I'd say the biggest initial "meh" I have with the site as a whole is that it does contain that touch of "hipster" and that's off-putting. Mostly because hipsters are generally under-educated, self centered, not at all altruistic or big-picture people, and incapable of seeing the value of things that don't appeal to their narrow range of "taste."

Hipsters also don't really know jack shit about selling or merchandising or understanding that the general public has money to spend and that *gasp* they aren't "hipsters" and don't buy "hipster" crap...

It's one thing to reject people assembling store bought charms on store bought thread with store bought clasps, and crappy photos... but it's another thing to brand quality goods out of your marketplace because they don't fit your narrow range of personal taste.

The fact that I just skimmed the site and my overall impression is "a little too hipster" well, it is what it is. Let's hope it's the lack of sleep taking effect.

This one does look reasonably promising though... as long as they're not committed to being hipsters.

The Funny One said...

I'm happy to know that Cargoh read the post, and since they're watching, I'd like to know more about their traffic and where it comes from. My experience so far is high traffic but no sales. If the high traffic numbers are just curiosity or people scoping out what they might spend their meager dollars on this holiday season, I would sure like to know.

We, as experienced sellers and fans of EB, know all that's wrong with the current marketplace model, but it's a tough road to break the "Etsy Habit" which has given us more of the same, and a sorry repeat of the same mistakes.

It's clear a set of skills are needed to set up and run a marketplace site, but if you keep leaving out the people who populate the marketplace, then it isn't a marketplace, it's an online edited retail catalog swimming around a big sea of like-objects.

It needs a complete attitude-adjustment. Instead of seeing sellers as pains in the ass (which 99% of these sites do) why don't you value them for what they are --- your revenue and profit producers!!! Your marketers and advertisers!!! Your networkers and promoters!!!

I've seen comments from site owners that complain about how they don't understand why sellers feel so entitled! Well, dear site owners, IF you expect your sellers to do all the work in setting up and maintaining their stores, do ALLLLLLLLLLLL the marketing and advertising AND do all of your customer support, then they damn well SHOULD feel entitled.

They're doing all the work for less than they would benefit from setting up a stall at the local farmer's market!!!!!!!!

You get what you give, and giving sellers a half-assed selling platform is NOT going to work, especially not with the huge crop of sellers who have been burned by Etsy and its clones.

Get real. Piss on the sellers and it is NOT going to work.

RRobin said...

what Melany said...
"I've been around the place a bit, and my impression is that the people who run this place have the potential to be every bit as intensely irritating as the people who run Etsy."

**

I see the wisdom in what Melany said. I just clicked on the link and on the Cargoh front page saw among other not-very-reassuring things the same embroidery hoop/stitched women/doll-arm assemblage that is on the Etsy FP at least once a week. Been there, done that. Next!

Skeptical said...

"Some sellers who set up shops before prescreening went into effect were "un-accepted" by the site and notified by email a couple of weeks ago."

Ouch. Way to thank the people who helped get your site going. 'Sorry, you're not worthy anymore.' Who's to say they won't do this again in future?

aislinn said...

lol all i know is that cargoh screwed a bunch of wonderful artisans. Lured them in with promises of free accounts for life, then pulled when they saw things were getting too big. *or so they say* All i know is if a site cant keep it's word when it's small, it sure as hell isnt when it gets larger.

No Cargoh for me said...

Cargoh has pissed on it's users..ask all of them that were thrown off the site after accepting the ivitation of a free for life shop.(For not fitting Cargoh's "new" idea of what it wanted to be)Cargoh can piss up a rope as far as I'M concerned...

RRobin said...

Quoting sark...
"The idea that as a 'person who makes things' I have all fucking day to sit in front of my computer and be on the internet trying to draw in customers — it's absurd.

"The duty of the venue is to bring actual customers to it's customers — the sellers."

**

Amen to that. I am so tired of being told it's my responsibility to promote my shop ad nauseum. If my talent was in marketing and advertising and networking and social-media gushing, I'd be doing that for a living instead of what I do, and for much bigger bucks than I get from doing that thing I do. My venue is supposed to do more than just give me bandwidth (and socializing opportunities) for my money. If that's all I can expect from a crafts site, any crafts site, I could get it a lot cheaper and with fewer headaches from Godaddy (and Facebook, if I gave a damn about the socializing).

not impressed said...

My big issue with Cargoh was not that they changed their mind once they got an influx from Etsy. I was fine when I got my email saying I didn't meet their new criteria whatever it is.

What I was upset about was that my account which could be restricted from selling was instead terminated. I know this because I set up two stores, one was terminated immediately and the other I could access for two days after I received the email, I just didn't have a store anymore. You can buy without being a member but you cannot interact on the site, like post in the forums or leave feedback for purchases without one. So it felt not so much as them saying, 'your work just doesn't fit with where we are going', as 'we don't like you and your work and we'd rather you not even buy.'

It worked, I won't be back to buy, I had a number of items that I put in my favorites, the holidays are coming but I will buy elsewhere.

The Funny One said...

Comments about how Cargoh sloppily handled its switch from open to pre-screening are well-founded. If you've watched the site over the past month, it looks like pre-screening really means that they just slowed the number of new shops, but they are not selecting (or even screening) by product-type.
Their front page looks like every other site of this type. The very same Etsy faves are now listing on Cargoh. (Which proves the over-saturation argument, that Etsy has flooded the world with 20 different products made by the same 100 people buying from each other.)

And who needs another Etsy?

The basic problem with Cargoh is that by choosing "indie" as their unfocused focus, they are accepting the same products adored by Etsy Admins ALL GEARED TO THE SAME DEMOGRAPHIC.

"Indie" in my town means screened t's, glammed kmart accessories, and recycled sweaters cobbled together with scotch tape and staples. They have a finite interest and a finite audience, which happens to be the same audience populated by Etsy, inside and out.

The sellers who know what's wrong with the marketplace sites clearly are not the people who are setting up the sites. They don't even know each other.

Anne said...

I know I'm a wicked old witch, but I looked at the Things They Love, saw all the owls, and thought, "I'm going on a quest for a BIRD FREE ZONE." Looks like another repository of "God died and left us in charge of all that is cute and trendy."

@Evermore Organics- Try osCommerce, the grandpappy of ZenCart. Their tax calculation is a thing of beauty and a joy forever, and all open-source.

Libby at Picklevalentinevintageglassbeads said...

Went, looked, don't think I will go back. Especially after wallowing in the richness of ArtFire.

Glasstastic Treasures said...

Cargoh did a crappy thing by kicking sellers off their site without an opportunity to conform to their "new" vision.

Worst was the Twitters back and forth between Cargoh and their shop owners compairing the new members shops to flea markets. Don't deny it, I have plety of screen shots. The snobs whined and Cargoh caved!

What you really did was boot out an ass load of potential buyers. But, oh wait, maybe our FLEA MARKET wallets aren't big enough for your hoity toity shop owners.

You didn't want to be as big as ArtFire or Etsy, so don't worry, treating people like you did will ensure that.

People are mad and are spreading the word about how Cargoh treated people. I don't think this fiasco will die quickly. It's still kicking!!

And being juried is fine. Just remember....1kM was jurided. So, Cargoh, enjoy your short lived high life.

Soon you'll be flappign around on the sand with your fins drying out on the beach like 1kM!

Wolf said...

The more I read and hear about Cargoh, the happier I am that I never even bothered attempting to get an account there.

Especially after reading the comments on a few of their own blog posts by 'accepted' sellers with an 'holier than thou', 'my work is better than everyone else doing the exact same thing' attitude.

Makes me not want to have anything to do with the site, or those particular sellers on ANY venue they sell on.

ShoppingForAnAlternative said...

Like so many other sites, I'm still seeing zero sales in the shops.
I think they see how much Etsy makes off the sellers. These sites all focus their resources on courting sellers instead of buyers.

Brick & mortar shops are invested in moving the product because that's how they make their money.

There will be many more Cargos, all wanting to hit the big time by soaking the dreams of the sellers.

BAH!

California Girl said...

I won't bother with Cargoh. I wasn't accepted to their special group either. But someone who glues old rhinestones to hair pins is. Hmmm. Real art I say!

Barbra said...

Check this out:
http://community.zibbet.com/forum/topics/etsy-says-no-to-etsy-importer

F.W. said...

After taking them up on the $5.95 deal, I just sold my first two items on ArtFire and they were expensive ones, too, that would have no hope of selling on the cheap-land that is Etsy and Ebay.
Just for shits and giggles I took a trip to the Etsy forums earlier tonight and as usual some seller was being challenged for suggesting a moratorium on renewing and putting out a call for relevancy searches. You should have seen the reactions.
I would love to see these Etsy "power" (re)sellers be subjected to a really fair SEO system where their renewing wouldn't work. The chorus of whining would be so loud, it would probably register on the Richter Scale. Same for the mass market suppliers who clog up the front page with minute by minute renewing.
The fun part would be, those of us liking ArtFire and Cargoh alternatives would then get to give them advice the same way they have been doing in their condescending manner. But the shoe would be on the other foot: "Instead of renewing and social networking, you need to have excellent and relevant keywords that mirror what customers are searching for" and "steer clear of mustaches and owls- people on the rest of the Internet don't find them appealing."
Ahh, one can dream...

The Funny One said...

Yeah, Cargoh is really all over the place and the front page shows the same 160 pages of the same product shots shuffled. High views, no sales. Because the same products listed everywhere on the site are high volume repeats on Etsy. Lots of groans when you see the Etsy repeaters.

1kM closed for several reasons including an outmoded "market model" that made no sense and created little fiefdoms for people who ran them. But the real problem was the founder lost interest and made it clear that it was just one startup in a list of serial startups.

There's no real connection between the people who set up and run the sites and the would-be-sellers who populate them. They aren't listening, either.

The shoppers notice, because so many are turned off by big-box-Etsy and its imitators that they aren't shopping for handmade online. (and consequently are no longer going to live craft events)

They're looking for the coupons-off at Amazon and BestBuy.

Etsy so over-saturated the mislabelled "handmade" genre that most sellers of handmade will never, ever recover the market. Etsy flattened it, obliterated it and is STILL making big bucks off listing fees, not real sales.

Wait 'til they blow off the rest of their small customer base with tracking cookies and "personalized searches" based on faulty data.

SusanA said...

Barbara

Artfire uses Etsy's API to make an importer, I'm pretty sure Etsy did not give permission or was even asked for it.

Basically anyone can make use of it- those resellers who use it to post 500 items in one night aren't asking, well then maybe Etsy is giving them link to it.

The Cranky One said...

Actually no. Artfire did NOT use the API at all. They'd said before in the forums it's a "scrapper". I gather was probably made to scrape info from the rss feed. No permission from whiny petulatnt hipsters needed.

Chirpy Chipmunk said...

Yeah, artfire actually was just getting etsy's info using 'scraping', while sending their user-agent as 'Googlebot'. So, they were trying to intentionally hide it from Etsy.

IMO Zibbet went about it in the right way here, and Etsy was within their rights to say 'no'. I don't think it's the right thing for the customers, though. It's our data, not theirs.

A good solution would be a neutral 'etsy freedom' project, which exports your listing data in a common format, as JSON or XML. You go to the site, download your data, and then upload the data artfire, zibbet, silkfair, whomever.

Libby at Picklevalentinevintageglassbeads said...

Right now Cargoh has 4114 products and 435 stores. Dumber than dumb.

It says it's a social marketing site. When I go to shop I am not interested in poor navigation and reading every seller's schmoozing tweets and sycophantic posts in a side bar. I don't care how socially active a seller is.

4114 products? Four thousand. How is that going to get them a load of buyers with cash? Much less Google ranking? Yeah, sure. And a lot of it is duplicate content.

Cargoh, in its bid to be so desperately hip, looks like a PARODY of Etsy. It's like Etsy on SNL. (But at least I'm not seeing any freakin' white pumpkins on the front page, yet.)

I wonder if Cargoh removed so many sellers partially because it had problems purchasing bandwidth. I wasn't in on all the tweets and nastiness and better than thou stuff, but Cargoh may not have needed much of a push and may have been looking for a reason to dump people.

There are actually a couple people I know and like on the site. I am sure they are not putting all their stock in Cargoh.

You just can't get buyers in with 4000 items. Dumb. And Cargoh forgot, as most of these places do, who the REAL customers are. That's us, the sellers. And we talk to eachother. (Yo, Cargoh, read up. Sellers are onto you. You think we are going to put our hand-crafted stuff on your site? Not ever.)

Lesson for Cargoh. New sites can't pull this crap and expect a bunch of us to show up for abuse. Got that, Cargoh?

Only reason Etsy gets away with it is because it is big. There are always a new bunch of starry eyed cupcakes. But even Etsy is bleeding sellers right and left.

I give Cargo until about 3 days after Christmas. Anyone want to take bets? We could run a pool. :)

Violets new Vintage said...

I don't know how people manage so many different shops..kudos to all of you who do! If I was looking for another venue to sell on it wouldn't be Cargoh. The whole look of the front page is a big turnoff for me....all the black and the giant banner with that sewer pipe picture...don't get that at all. I found the facebook and twitter apps taking up 1/3 of the space in every shop I visited distracting too. Why have your item displayed on one side of the page and 20 reasons for your potential customer to click away on the other? Am I missing something or just getting old?

SusanA said...

Going to the site is is just overwhelming- their home home page bombards you and store the banners are huge- one was about 900x500 and fill up the whole screen.

Basically you can't see anything unless you get past that. Something about it all feels like it is jumping out and the focus is on the seller, not the items. I may be unusual but I really don't care how cool your banner is, what you support- I got there thru your item, not you. If you item is good, I'll buy it, not becasue you think you are cool

julie said...

I have a shop on etsy. I have a shop on cargoh. I've had a shop on etsy a long time. I've had a shop on cargoh, since, well, they started. I'm not expecting tons of sales yet, and yes, I agree, the turnaround from an open to curated marketplace was poorly executed, all in all.

So far, I love Cargoh. They're in Beta, and are pretty aware - and (yesssss.) responsive and proactive to what needs attention (like their search)!

I admit, I get my back up when I see Cargoh bashing. And let me be clear: I'm not talking about disliking it, that's fine with me. It's not for everyone. Not everyone will like their language, or their design. I don't like the AF design, or some of their fiascos.... but I don't take to public forums to express it. They have only just started, is it therefore wrong of them to boast all 4000+ shops, in only a few months? Cause I think that's a good feat for a new company... Is it sour grapes leftover from August? (and the only "holier-than-thou" remarks I ever saw, were aimed toward cargoh, and some of their sellers in that fiasco) And yeah, that AF comment was holier-than-thou, and discussed on a public forum. You don't need to tell me.

I liked this review, it seemed very fair, and I'm excited to see where Cargoh goes. They've been getting very positive reviews from other techie sites, and I was glad to see the bitches, who are so familiar with the downfalls and pitfalls of etsy, take a stab at it from their point of view. I particularly like/agree with cranky, in these posts.

I'm excited to see where they're heading. This is a snippet from another review from a pr site, recently. This is part of why I'm excited to be a part of the cargoh community.

"...it seems to me 4 great and informative blogs are better than one, superb user tools rather than adequate ones should reign, and interconnectivity should be extraordinary. The multitude of tools for vendors, their illuminated connectivity methods, the way their stores look, Cargoh presents people and their work the way anyone would want to be seen."

schooyer said...

It'll be like that UNTIL Cargoh realizes how much money they can make out of people who think they can make it...

How long do you think they can keep saying no to money?

tired etsian said...

...it seems to me 4 great and informative blogs are better than one, superb user tools rather than adequate ones should reign, and interconnectivity should be extraordinary. The multitude of tools for vendors, their illuminated connectivity methods, the way their stores look, Cargoh presents people and their work the way anyone would want to be seen."

********************

What the hell does that mean. I am a tired etsian after all.

Libby at Picklevalentine said...

Julie, they boast slightly over 400 sellers and slightly over 4000 items. That is what really freaked me out. You said they have over 4000 sellers. No they don't. They are too small.

I do love some of the items on there. If they can get more variety and more sellers, it might be a go. But dumping sellers was a bad move, especially when so many feel already burned by other sites.

whatever cargoh said...

Can I add another little irksome complaint about Cargoh.

I just got am email from them advertising the site and new features to me.

Sorry, if you decline my store and close my account you have no business keeping my email address on your mailing list.

julie said...

libby - ugh. I hate typo-ing. ;)

and yeah, you shouldn't be getting spammed with their emails, if you're not a member. that'd irk me as well.

Libby at Picklevalentinevintageglassbeads said...

Kudos to Straw Meet Camel's Back and that link to UTube featuring Fred Wilson.

For every "ummm" and "other things" that Fred Wilson mentions, translate "crap from China, "mass produced shit," "Walmart Redux."

I am glad I moved on.

My word of verification is wineshil...Wine Shill? Maybe that can be a new "umm" for Etsy.

Wolf said...

Another shop was perma banned today as well- JoanHunterHandmade.