Wednesday, November 19, 2008

The New Etsy Front Page

Hello EB Faithful!

Have you seen the new front page??

The Gift Guides are prominently displayed along the left hand column!

How's them apples? Those sellers who are not fortunate to be featured in said gift guides get the short end of the stick!

Sometimes it takes up the entire left hand column, and others, its just the corner, but LOOK! The GG selections are where the treasury curated page is supposed to be!

Assholes, the whole lot of them.

126 Comments:

lessa said...

I used to be able to see at least two lines of the FP treasury, now I see one. I missed the showcase box the first time because it blended in. So glad I'm not one of those sellers spending $15 a day for that spot. I also blanked out the search bar and thought for a moment they had got rid of it as my eyes were distracted by everything else.

If you use one of the most popular web browsers out there you have to refresh the first time you visit Etsy or its a long stretched out mess. I know I go to a website and immediately refresh, doesn't everyone? :P The bonus, after 30 or more seconds the Storque and recently listed had yet to resolve in FF. I didn't wait any longer.

Since I am also invisible on Etsy and will never find myself featured I'm glad I have my new venues. Hope to not need Etsy for anything come mid winter.

Jessica said...

Here are some stats for you all: http://www.subsushi.net/featsy/stats.html

I could rant until my fingers bleed, but I won't bother.... it speaks for itself really...

fyou said...

This is the biggest FUCK YOU that Etsy has EVER done to us!!

Yeah, they heard us bitching- so here's a fuck you to the 199,920 sellers that are NOT, and probably never will be, in the gg's. Or, maybe on some obscure date.

Etsy, you just turned into my DNBF list.

FUCKERS!!!

WillBitchForChange said...

I definately have the short end of that stick. The Gift Guides are hugely unfair. I am continually amazed by the lack of understanding by Etsy Admin.

My cat could do a better job and he chases his tail!

Combustion Glassworks said...

its complete and TOTAL horseshit.

Even the cupcakers will be able to see this blatant act of favoritism.

Tina said...

The gift guides are not located along the side. It was a fluke with IE. Etsy said to refresh and it should help. Check back. I did and the categories are along the sides.

Paw and Claw Designs said...

I have never felt such a combination of sadness and blind fury.


I want my fucking piece of CAKE!
I paid for it.
give me my CAKE!

etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5916761&page=48#post-31527374

The Righteous One said...

ummm yes, they ARE prominently displayed..upper left corner

And where is the list of sellers?!?!? NOWHERE on the front page...the fuckers.

Paw and Claw Designs said...

this is how it is *SUPPOSED* to look.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kittenspawn/3043114387/

many of you are seeing this

flickr.com/photos/21881149@N06/3043104725/

regardless, it is ri-cock-ulous!

laila aka rawfish said...

AND they removed the crafting gift guide. i sell handspun yarn. we don't even have a top category. i have to list under supplies. that was my only chance to make it into the gg. but i dont waiting for a top level category isn't the most fun... just ask DAM.

Anonymous said...

The new front page sucks ass.

LifeOutsideOfBrooklyn said...

Hey Etsy? Fuck you, too.

Violets new Vintage said...

Favoritism aside for a moment. I am finding that Etsy is starting to look like a middle of the road magazine. Slick pictures and featured items with no edge or humor. A Macy's feel. I don't enjoy Macy's....its boring. ( I do love you Etsy Bitches though)

The Funny One said...

Please also take notice: At the bottom of the left hand column, Etsy now has a link to their Dorkies that promote the SAME stores they promote in the GG's, FS, all their hijacked FPT's ----so you get a link to MAKE SURE you go to a place where Etsy PICKS THE SAME STORES and SAME ITEMS.

Variety, my ass. Variety, my collective seller-asses.

Does ANY RETAIL SITE in their RIGHT MIND make a MAJOR SYTLE and content change to their FRONT PAGE during the holiday shopping season?

Hey Etsy, You are so completely disconnected from reality and your sellers that I am SURE YOU CAN HEAR ME YELLING.

Why, I have a mind to pitch a tent in front of your Gold Street offices with picket signs. And a megaphone "ETSY CAN YOU HEAR US???"

Oh, no? Holy crap shittola. You topped yourself!!!!!!!!!

Your FUCK YOU SELLERS could not have been more clear.

lasttimeididn'tgetanycakeeither said...

Milton Waddams: The ratio of people to cake is too big.

Moda di Magno said...

I sent an email asking for a refund of my two upcoming showcase slots, now rebranded the "Find the Showcase" spots. Will advise if I get a response.

I have rage. Deep, seething, I-have-a-torch rage.

lovepeaceanddye said...

oh this all just slays me - i am blown away at how etsy refuses to change their favoritism game...so sad...

qb said...

one suggestion I have is that pounce needs to offer more options now. Pounce should be the great equalizer (which would validate its high position). This means pounce for random seller/items, not just 'newbies' or 'just sold'.

lessa said...

qb,

Yes, if they want pounce up front and center then they should add an everyone feature. Hell, they should add that to pounce anyway. I loved the random list that they had so very long ago. Was great for finding new things I would never have thought to look for.

Heather said...

WOW. So now, "gift guides" right at top, "Editors picks" among the top ways to shop, AND the admin picked treasuries on the front page. Hooray. More twee birds and owls.

With all the uproar of the GG last year, and etsy doing NOTHING about it for an entire year, then bringing them out AGAIN this year...sigh. Last year at this time I was selling steady daily. This year? Once a week. I don't think that's ALL the economy's fault. Etsy has narrowed it's look down so precise, and if you're not brooklyn hipster you're not "cool".

Well, you can find me on artfire for now. After the new year, who knows where else.

Andy Mathis said...

I actually sort of like the front page. I like how the categories are displayed.

While I would prefer the gift guide to be under the categories, I can live with this for a bit.

I also like how time machine, colors, etc. are lumped into their own little block.

Overall, I think this is way better than the old format.

I don't do showcases, so it doesn't bother me if they stay, go away, or look different.

bluh said...

Let's see - Etsy changed something, that means the etsy bitches will have some conspiracy theory about how the change was intended to drive all of us into penury. And...

not disappointed.

Oh, wait, you're all absolutely right - I mean what is this sudden emphasis on "gifts" at the top of the page? The gift guides? Pounce re-packaged as a place to find "gifts?" A link to the "Gift" showcase?

It's as if Etsy has some secret stats they're hiding from us that show that November and December are some kind of peak in "gift" buying or something, and they're trying to drive all OUR business away and straight into the hands of these "gift" sellers. For instance, the new emphasis on Pounce, which only shows shops that are actively updating or actually selling items. And that leaves out everyone I know.

PamperingBeki said...

I've never had any interest in purchasing a showcase, but if I had one, I'd be livid right now.

I really should make jewelry in gray and mustard, with an owl on faux bois wearing a large crocheted neckwarmer. Oh, and I'll photograph it on an angle with only part of the piece in focus, but the rest of the image blurred. Just *maybe* then, I might stand a chance of being seen on the front page. ??

qb said...

andy: I agree with you. the front page is definitely more aesthetically pleasing. The photos are more professional looking and the drawn art that is there, looks more mature.

The gift guide widget should also move down below the categories. Its current location is just off putting and makes the whole page look top-heavy.

adore said...

Combustion Glassworks said...

its complete and TOTAL horseshit.

Even the cupcakers will be able to see this blatant act of favoritism.

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Lol, I doubt that very much. They would still cheer etsy even if admin asked them to cut off their fingers for the front page. Etsy can do no wrong.

I haven't read the thread announcing this in the forums yet, but I'm sure it's getting a huge rah rah rah right now.

As for the look, I actually like the LOOK of it. If etsy were a collective of say, 100 artists, that front page would fucking rock! Because Etsy is very much NOT that, the page, although pretty, is pure shit for any artist that isn't regularly featured, so that 99.5 percent.

moodymary said...

I really think that Etsy is a secretly juried site. That's why the newly listed items are way down on the page, it's because they can't control them. I wish it was openly juried so they could let only the sellers they love be on the site, instead of being open to everyone and promote only a fraction of them.

They put all sorts of fancy pictures and pastel colors on the front page, you can't even see there's a search engine!

Pathetic.

teawithfrodo said...

wow...that treasury on the front page is so artsy...
Too bad I can't fucking tell what people are selling by looking at them.

Someone should post this in the forums:

http://www.subsushi.net/featsy/stats.html

got forbid some non-pretentious pictures/items make it on the front page.

want to take my toys and go home said...

Hey Snarkers,

Its pretty obvious that Etsy has to put the flash toys on the front page. They have to hide the fact that their category search is slow and not working.

Now who do I bribe to get an item in the GG? I can make a mean cupcake

life-during-wartime said...

For me the biggest issue with the new front page layout is that there is too much white space until you scroll down a bit. I guess the shaded link and text boxes dimmed the white more and made it less glaring and hard looking. The artsy (hard to see what the items actually are) item photos from the treauries now look out of focus and way too dark. Very unattractive design as it is.

The gift guide sez 'seasonal fashion' and WHOA first few clicks of the right arrow take me to what looks like a reseller (no location, no profile, item descriptions that say almost nothing).

Love the comment that Etsy is morphing into Macy's territory. I agree. But that came with Maria, and her focus on giftables for Hallmark holidays and life milestones. The older versions of Etsy included this, but wasn't focused on it. What a shame. Because shopping for this market is so available at anyone's local mall, for less money and no shipping charges. Maria was a mistake, it's time for her to go! Let her count beans for some more conventional dotcom.

spetsy said...

Hey Bluh-(or Rokali or whomever)

Boy, are you brilliant. Why doesn't Etsy follow your thought process?

Let's see, focus on gifts toward the end of November.. the timing is a bit late, is it not?

Focus on the exact same handful of sellers on the gift guides, the front page admin picked treasuries, etc. ad nauseum.... oh right, nothing new but shoving them into the non-featured peoples faces a little more... so what?

yeah. brill.

(Chad- you're still a ding-dong)

Pandora said...

This cosmetic change was NOT a priority. Way to waste time and resources, jerkwads. The search still blows.

teawithfrodo said...

bluh,
no one said anything about conspiracy.
Etsy admin makes it pretty obvious what they care about. But then again people who spout that behind an anonymous name are usually the people with their noses up admins butts.

you think it would be in etsy's best interest to want to show a diversity in their sellers.

The presence of a gift guide isn't an issue. But how they pick the same people over and over is the problem.

people have been displayed up to 60 times in a week. If that doesn't seem off to anyone then maybe they need to pull their heads out of their butts.

WillBitchForChange said...

If you want to really be turned off by the gift guides and the whole front page deal check out this link http://www.subsushi.net/featsy/stats.html

It makes me sick and very bitchy.

MOJ said...

I really think that Etsy is a secretly juried site.
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I think so to. They will never come out and say it.

MOJ said...

people have been displayed up to 60 times in a week.
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I just don't get this. Nobody on the entire site has a shop so good they need that much exposure.

ebbandflo said...

oh sigh! i'm now gnashing my teeth at how the gift guides are billed as 'sellers' top picks" ...... anything but (unless you mean the admin shops curating them? i guess then i cannot fault etsy for being wrong!!)

:(

Liv'nGood Jewelry said...

i probably should stay away from here today, I'm already a little pissy, but oh well

when is someone gonna do a cross reference of the Etsy Admin stores with the top featured from Featsy? THAT would be interesting to see

PS - you'll find me on 1000markets for a while - i'll come back when Etsy's nicer to ALL of us

Ivydionne said...

Well, the front page and just about everything it links to is most definitely juried. And given the fact that search is so useless, the entire site may as well be since no one can find you if you're buried on page 50 of your category.

I DO like the new look and feel. What I don't like is the placement and importance they give certain, useless features, like pounce. I REALLY wish they'd stick the recently listed stuff at the TOP OF THE PAGE.

jodie nicholson said...

Is it the Etsy front page or Photopalooza?

Keys and Memories said...

For what it's worth I was surprised I was featured so much on Etsy. I had no idea. I am not an admin butt kisser or favorite.

Comments like this:
*got forbid some non-pretentious pictures/items make it on the front page.*
or this
*people have been displayed up to 60 times in a week.
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I just don't get this. Nobody on the entire site has a shop so good they need that much exposure.*

I cringe when I read those comments because I feel they are directed at me in some way. Maybe they are really directed at Etsy BUT it makes me feel bad like I am doing something wrong. All I have done is bust my ass working hard.

Adore said...

bluh, I don't see anything here about a conspiracy and as for you not being disappointed by etsy bitch, well, bitching, I have to say this. I've seen EB give a thumbs up when etsy does something that is legitimately good, which isn't very often sorry to say.

The thing is, it's not really just the issue of changing the front page. I think it's more of an issue that search isn't fixed, people's listing are still taking hours to show up on the search page, we still and never will have stats no matter how much we complain, Etsy admin plays favorites and only cater to a very small audience of shoppers, the look is tired, overused and dated. Their "advertising" was an absolute disgrace and (quite late I might add), they mute people that speak up against them repeatedly, and overall, they just run business poorly.

So do I sell there? I do. Overall, I like etsy because of the people that are there, not because of the way they operate their business, and I use the term operate rather loosely.

The Funny One said...

I'm with you, Adore, perfectly put.

I bet money that Maria has no idea what these Etsy-Gurlz (aka BUSY BEES) do all day long.

You have to credit Etsy with the Arrogance Prize 4 years running.

They have talked themselves into believing that they are doing something when we sellers know they haven't done a damn thing. Their unethical "business" behavior is just more evident.

gopher said...

keys and memories,
I don't think anyone is angry at the sellers, because it isn't their doing, it's the admins.

I was told that the stats about being featured 60 times is faulty because it counts once if you are on page one of a guide, then if you get bumped to page two it counts it again..and on and on...so it's not entirely accurate.

morgansilk said...

The fact that I don't personally think that those GGs need to be above search-- this is my bottom line:
WHY is this being done NOW????
And why should I be surprized? Seems like there are people going out of their way to look and behave unprofessionally. Maybe that's cool? Irksome. Juvenile, I have to say it.

Anonymous said...

Never mind the whole Gift Guide issue, and the not-juried but acting juried issue.
WHY is this being done NOW? Do these people go out of their way to come off as unprofessional? Is it supposed to be cool to look amateurish? Or are they pretending to look busy in order to keep their jobs?
I give up caring.

morgansilk said...

Is it supposed to be cool to look unprofessional? I'm not even refering to the design-- WHY is it being done NOW??? It's the weekend before Thanksgiving, for God's sake.
Maybe they are just trying to look busy to keep their jobs. That's what people do: pick up a broom and move dirt around.

etsy sucks said...

Etsy is a social experiment. An observation of human behaviour.
Someday all our well-articulated comments will make someone a bunch of $$. It already paid off for the original founders.

This latest "F-You" from Etsy sucks.

peacekeeper redux said...

I gave up posting on Etsy forum threads except for my street team thread because I am in danger of being banned and have been too vocal for Etsy Admin standards,since the Etsy 5 Banning Debacle.

There is a contest in the Storque, The Ornament Contest. In this contest all entries were chosen by Etsy Admin. On the first page of 60 ornaments, out of 9 ornaments, 4 are vintage.

I have nothing against vintage on Etsy at all, but in this case I am floored, not really, it is more of the same. The top 2 images, both vintage, are in prime page real estate, the top row far left. In the comments section Vanessa says, Wouldn't it be "cool" to have a tree full of handmade ornaments? Now there is irony in techno color.

http://www.etsy.com/storque/etc/holiday-2008-choose-your-favorite-ornament-2927/

I hope another site rises up to meet the hue and cry and takes over the opportunity that Etsy Admin is blowing sky high, while shooting themselves in the foot with an UZI.

Etsy Admin refusing to market the site to the general public with funds to purchase handmade on Etsy, for my 2nd holiday selling here is beyond disgusting. I am only here because I am a life long artist, selling art for 40 years in San Francisco, and there are no more Indie gallery boutiques to peddle my wares to anymore. SF is all corporate these days. Etsy is neither Indie or corporate, it is a hybridized cult.

http://www.etsy.com/storque/etc/holiday-2008-choose-your-favorite-ornament-2927/

The new front page is pathetic in my opinion, and not an improvement at all.

geelizzie said...

huh, quelle surprise, since featsy's inception on 11/4, geelizzie has NOT been featured. sigh...

Eveline said...

Jessica said...

Here are some stats for you all: http://www.subsushi.net/featsy/stats.html

I could rant until my fingers bleed, but I won't bother.... it speaks for itself really...

***********************

Wow... That's just... Wow...

Keys and Memories said...

Anonymous gopher said...

keys and memories,
I don't think anyone is angry at the sellers, because it isn't their doing, it's the admins.

I was told that the stats about being featured 60 times is faulty because it counts once if you are on page one of a guide, then if you get bumped to page two it counts it again..and on and on...so it's not entirely accurate.
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I do not believe it is accurate either- unfortunately people are going ballistic over the flawed figures. So now I have people posting in threads that they would never buy from me out of jealousy,etc.. for a site with inacurate stats!

HaHa said...

Etsy purchased google ad words on the key word "artfire.com" today. That's right big dog, there's another dog in your yard.

BooHooHoo said...

Keys and Memories said...
Anonymous gopher said...

keys and memories,
I don't think anyone is angry at the sellers, because it isn't their doing, it's the admins.

I was told that the stats about being featured 60 times is faulty because it counts once if you are on page one of a guide, then if you get bumped to page two it counts it again..and on and on...so it's not entirely accurate.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I do not believe it is accurate either- unfortunately people are going ballistic over the flawed figures. So now I have people posting in threads that they would never buy from me out of jealousy,etc.. for a site with inacurate stats!

November 19, 2008 7:29 PM

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It's not about accuracy anymore. It is about clawing your way to the top of the pile even if you have to do it over the dead bodies of fellow Etsians that you leave behind you.

pissed off said...

I can't believe anyone still pays for Showcase spots. It's not worth it; they don't work!

bersher said...

it's pretty disheartening when you usually do okay on etsy and your competition, mainly one or so people are constantly featured, over and over, from gift guides, to front page, to articles, that your ability to get to your customers is totally blocked by etsy parading these few sellers around. you'd think w/featsy they'd wake up to seller complaints.
the more people that take a hit this xmas, the more complaints and sites like this and they are going to have a harder time getting sellers and financing.

2more cents said...

I feel sorry for the posters in the gigantic thread who are encouraging the mock-up proposals for the front page.

It's futile, people.
There isn't a chance in hell etsy is going to act upon a seller's attempt to fix the front page.

NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

I'm just plain embarrassed by the whole thing anymore: the admins' behaviour, the forum people who think they can still make a difference, the pleas by vintage & supply sellers that still try to get equality and respect.

It's all a big gigantic lesson in futility. A Handmade Clusterfuck.

ephy said...

Is any non-featured person every going to find success on Etsy again?

Not if the front page has anything to do with it.

*sigh*

There go my dreams of quitting my dayjob.

Andrea Q said...

Feasty stats have been removed with this explanation:

"I apologize to everyone, but featsy needs to take a break. The gift pages were originally calculated whenever an item made it onto the first page of a gift guide, if the item stayed on this first page it would not be added again. If it left that page and re-entered 20 minutes later my *original* design counted the item again. The theory was that the front page of the gift guide got more exposure so i wanted to notify people. Items seem to move around the gift pages when other items get sold, I have not noticed any manipulation of this in all of my data. items on the first page get sold, the older items move back there. I had recently changed how I was counting the gift guide features, to include a time element. that was lowering the counts, but the implementation was not quick enough. I should have explained the stats from the get go, explained how i got them and why i figured on obtaining them in the manner that i did. I will be working on a way to safeguard the site in the future, hopefully we can all just keep this fun..."

MI Zombie said...

Gift Guides? How many shit sandwiches do we have to eat to get into that again, admin?

geek said...

On the bright side, they made flagging a whole heck of a lot easier. Now I can stop posting that particular suggestion under Ideas hoping someone might see it and care to do something about it.

Heather said...

2more cents said...

I feel sorry for the posters in the gigantic thread who are encouraging the mock-up proposals for the front page.

It's futile, people.
There isn't a chance in hell etsy is going to act upon a seller's attempt to fix the front page.

NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

I'm just plain embarrassed by the whole thing anymore: the admins' behaviour, the forum people who think they can still make a difference, the pleas by vintage & supply sellers that still try to get equality and respect.

It's all a big gigantic lesson in futility. A Handmade Clusterfuck.
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Word. Etsy doesn't give a shit what their customers (the sellers) say. Etsy does what etsy wants to do. And next Christmas, when all etsy has to offer is yokoo's cowls and rufflesnotty's neon shorts and everyone...erm...normal...is shopping elsewhere etsy will only have themselves to blame.

And maybe they'll wish they had taken a "lameass" business class. Even though it's "so 80's".

bluh said...

Yes, conspiracy theory.

The etsy bitch reasoning is:

1. Etsy has a list of shops that are its "favorites."

2. Etsy wants to promote these shops ahead of everyone else's so they put them in the gift guides.

3. Moving the gift guides to the top of the page is meant to promote Etsy's favorite shops.

I don't think anyone here can back up any of these three assumptions.

And the etsy botches probably don't feel they have to, when they have so many people eager to share in the bitch fest and ready to believe whatever is screeched at them. If the Etsy bitches posted a diatribe about Etsy's choice of font, they'd have a line of people ready to chime in ridiculing them and coming up with reasons why they can't make any sales because their descriptions are in a sans-serif face.

blacksheep said...

Actually, bluh, many of us can think for ourselves. I don't care so much about what people SAY as much as I care about what I SEE, and what the Bitches are saying correlates with what I see with my own two eyes.

2morecents said...

For the record, bluh, I don't think there is a conspiracy theory.

And I don't agree with everything on EB and I believe sometimes a big deal is made about minor issues just to have something to bitch about.

I DO think that etsy has too many immature, inexperienced, lacking-real-world-business-experience staff members. I think that too many of them are in positions that they are not qualified for; they are trying to fake it until they make it.

The real "problem" is that the etsy community is filled with intelligent, experienced, knowledgeable business people who clearly see the incompetence in Brooklyn.

Couple that with the arrogance and inability of Etsy to own their mistakes, and it creates a volatile mix.

I don't think there is adequate market research or usability studies. I think etsy is lazy and take shortcuts; they are not thorough.

Conspiracy? NO.
Narrow-mindedness and lack of vision and marketing acumen? YES.

teawithfrodo said...

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5916864&page=1
for those who haven't seen this thread yet.

I love how now the people who are constantly on the front page are angry because people are getting turned off from them.

getoveryourselves said...

If it's a conspiracy theory- then it can be dismissed.

If everyone is overreacting- it can be dismissed.

If everyone is a grumpy hater- it can be dismissed.

If it is a fact, with stats to back it up- not so easy to dismiss, but etsy will dismiss it anyway because: they are never wrong.

Megan McGory said...

What gets me is how Etsy continues to spring new stuff like this at us but still refuse to fix search/subcategory loading lagtime.

Prioritizing search would be common sense, not business sense. 20-somethings are capable of running successful businesses, just not the arrogant 20-somethings who control all things Etsy.

Many straws have broke this camel's back. See you at artfire. I'll keep my supplies and vintage at Etsy since it's cheaper than Ebay and I can get more money for it...but as for actually giving a shit about my Etsy shop, those days are long gone before I end up in a straight jacket.

bluh said...

blacksheep - do you see the same people featured over and over? How is it that you can track the 600-some front page items every day and the thousands of gift guide items that move through in a few days to make this judgment?

Not to pick on you. This assumption is one that seems to be taken as a given here, but nobody has been able to back it up. I hope featsy can get back up and running with accurate data because what I think a careful look will show is that the people you imagine are Etsy's favorites are not treated any more favorably than others as far as being slotted in the hot spots. (and I am trademarking the phrase "slotted in the hot spot" by the way...) Someone should put up a poll and ask people to name the one shop they think gets the most favorable treatment by Etsy. I bet the answers are all over the place.

2centsmore, that is certainly a more realistic view, i think. Much of what gets chalked up to malice and 'favoritism' is just Etsy acting before having thought everything through. That's a real criticism in itself, but then it's harder to rationalize sticking around in the face of such incompetence. Casting Etsy as an evil force out to ruin us all makes for much more drama, and gives some people a reason to stick around and "fight." If Etsy were your plumber or mechanic, you'd all have moved on months ago.

Old Hippie Bitch said...

bluh says:

If the Etsy bitches posted a diatribe about Etsy's choice of font, they'd have a line of people ready to chime in ridiculing them and coming up with reasons why they can't make any sales because their descriptions are in a sans-serif face.
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My, aren't you clever?! But you're confusing bitching with whining. I see alot of bitching here, but very little whining.

The bitching comes from intelligent, savvy business people making coherent arguments about the site we pay for.

BTW, fonts are crucial to a website's visual identity. If they changed the font in the height of holiday shopping season, you bet I'd bitch.

My comment on the new front page: seeing "Editors Choice" was like etsy giving the finger to all grumpy haters who have questioned their "lack of diversity."

i hate cupcakes said...

bluh - 3 1/2 year selling on Etsy. And in that time I've watched Etsy staff promote their friends shops over and over and over. It just now they try to deny it. In the early days, they had their friends pick the front page items. We're talking months and months of the same stuff, over and over again. Now they are more careful to mix it up here and there, throw in some other shops from time to time.

I'm not saying that everyone who makes it to the front page or gets into a gift guide is a friend of Etsy staff, but there are some that definitely get an a lot of perks from being a friend of staff.

And for those who have pissed one of them off - you won't get shit. Some of the staff hold grudges for a very long time. Don't forget, some of the staff were/are sellers too.


It's time Etsy hires mature staff instead a bunch of giggling immature girls.

MI Zombie said...

bluh said...

I don't think anyone here can back up any of these three assumptions.

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Are you kidding me? estasketch was on the front page so many times with SarahsSky placed I started to take screen shots because it was so blatantly obvious! Wake up! lol

MI Zombie said...

Oh btw Bluh who doesn't have enough balls to post with their real id I have compared Etsy Bitch to the same things Etsy does. I am hardly a blind follower! Good try though! Maybe you can go back to the drawing board and come up with something else!

blacksheep said...

blacksheep - do you see the same people featured over and over? How is it that you can track the 600-some front page items every day and the thousands of gift guide items that move through in a few days to make this judgment?
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Thousands of Gift Guide items? I didn't realize there were that many. They don't disappear until they are sold. And I don't see any need to feature the same sellers over and over again in multiple Gift Guides.

As far as front page treasuries, all you have to do is visit the Flickr front page photo pool, search by name, and you'll see how often someone has been featured on the front page in the past few months. And yes, there is a great disparity when some people appear dozens of times and some not at all (and I've been on the front page a few times myself; I'm not talking about me.)

I can also see Etsy NOT fixing the search, and ignoring helpful advice from professionals who have plenty of experience in their fields regarding site improvements. That's what I base my opinions on.

I try to be as objective as possible; believe me, if Etsy did something that I thought was praiseworthy, I would (and have) praised them. I just haven't seen much to praise as of late.

odd man out said...

I dislike the new front page and the gift guides new prominence.
I have been making and selling my product on Etsy for 3 years,longer than anyone else making the same product.
Everyday I do a search my product and everyday I come up with hundreds of items that are not the correct item. If I list at 9Am within 3 hours I'm 20 pages back. Maybe if the search was better people would find me, instead of having to sift through pages of unrelated items and multiple relistings. I have 4 major competitors and they all been featured multiple times,featured on the front page, as featured sellers, and now, in multiple gift guides.
My product is great, my feedback is glowing. I used to get 100 hits on the first day of each listing. Now I'm lucky if I get 10. If people do find me, they will see that I have a better design, made with high quality materials and since I've made hundreds, there is nothing wonky about them.
Admin chooses sellers that re list 20 products a day, they choose the brand new sellers, they choose the ones who kiss ass in the forums and stay up late making treasuries all night. I dont have time for that. I am busy making my products and promoting my business.
I just want a level playing field and Etsy's crappy search engine is costing me sales and the gift guides are steering people to my competitors.
I'm sure sellers in every other category can name their competitors, the ones that are featured again and again. When I see mine I take note, if their product is better,I don't mind, well done, but when I see inferior products being promoted it really burns my biscuits.

master of the obvious said...

bluh said...
blacksheep - do you see the same people featured over and over? How is it that you can track the 600-some front page items every day and the thousands of gift guide items that move through in a few days to make this judgment?
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I don't think one has to.
An opinion is not statistical mathematics.

There are sellers featured over and over and over again. I don't know one person that disagrees with this. It's blatant, obvious, and very sad on a site with literally hundreds of thousands of sellers on it.

In fact, it should be a bizarre coincidence that ANY seller is featured more than once in a given span of time.

You can't tell me there are that few shops that have good pics, or good items.

You can argue this point all you want, but everyone I know has seen the repeats. There shouldn't be any.

The Righteous One said...

"Much of what gets chalked up to malice and 'favoritism' is just Etsy acting before having thought everything through."

That is true, Etsy admin don't think things through. And if you pay attention to the front page (there's a flickr group with screenshots), flip through the gift guides, or look at third-party stats you'll see that they do have their favorite shops.

These sellers likely did not ask to be favorites and anger towards them is unfounded unless they're resellers (not supplies or vintage) who don't belong on Etsy per Etsy's own rules, though in the past there have been "friends and cousins" of admin who have been grandfathered in unfairly.

These are two separate issues that blur together constantly, but both ARE present in this situation. As a venue Etsy should not be featuring ANYONE. They should have the tools for buyers, show recently listed or sold items, and have sellers pull out gift items for presentation.

MI Zombie said...

Oh I missed this part. Blush said if Etsy was your plumber or mechanic you'd have moved on months ago.

Well guess what I have moved on! Bye Bye Etsy listing fees! My wages will not go to these incompetent staffers who are too busy bending over for their cheerleaders!

I have my OWN domain! Plus I just signed up and set up shop on ArtFire.com http://zombie-sticks.artfire.com

So yeah I guess I have moved on!

Oh yeah I am not some disgruntled user with 5 sales on Etsy either, anonymous user. I have over 800 positive feedbacks and over 900 sold items~

Paw and Claw Designs said...
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Paw and Claw Designs said...

(reposting to edit for clarity)

bluh said...
blacksheep - do you see the same people featured over and over? How is it that you can track the 600-some front page items every day and the thousands of gift guide items that move through in a few days to make this judgment?

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It's not HARD to prove front page favoritism if you are willing to do a bit of leg work.

or do you doubt EB readers ability to do the work to get proof of EB complaints themselves?

HOW TO VERIFY FRONT PAGE "NUMBERS"

STEP ONE:http://www.flickr.com/search/groups/?w=779551%40N24&q=&m=pool

STEP TWO: enter a name of a seller you SUSPECT has an exorbitant amount of features in the search bar.

STEP THREE: Confirm or Disprove your Suspicions.

If you want numbers, I can get you numbers. Lots and Lots of SICK FUCKING NUMBERS! It's become a personal pet peeve of mine.

this vicious cycle of treasury curators KNOWING specific sellers will often nail a front page slot, so they always include them knowing that statistically they have a better change of making that coveted FP. Then other curators see it, and do the same...Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

the HARD numbers are SHOCKING and DISGUSTING!

Some sellers have up to 76 front page features in a 30 day time period! over 2 a day, if your math skills fail you.

DISGUSTING!

You want numbers as "proof" of EB's alligations...go get 'em.

Or ask me to get them for you...i'm not afraid of a little work..unlike some members of the etsy staff

honeolo said...

there go our dreams of quitting our day jobs
whoever said that its so true

life-during-wartime said...

Paw and Claw Designs said ...
this vicious cycle of treasury curators KNOWING specific sellers will often nail a front page slot, so they always include them knowing that statistically they have a better change of making that coveted FP. Then other curators see it, and do the same...Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you, for so clearly stating a part of the FP problem that is too often ignored.

morgansilk said...

Odd Man Out said it very well. The only time I ever get a peek at the FP is when I login, nothing scientific, but I see the same people frequently. Even as we speak.
anyhow, what Odd Man said says it all for me.

MI Zombie said...

Thats why I dont login through the front page!

ephy said...

Well said, odd man out.

If Etsy's goal is to allow people to make a living selling handmade items, they need to enable artists to set up shop and go back to working on their craft. Not make them play "the Etsy game" to get noticed.

Keys and Memories said...

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5916864&page=12

for those who haven't seen this thread yet.

I love how now the people who are constantly complaining might wonder why they have very few sales. Maybe they should focus on their craft instead of calling people names.

Ladies Auxilliary said...

I must be missing something.

I like the look of the front page, the editor picks are near the bottom on the left. And the showcases and seller pick gift guides are right in the middle on the top...I definitely think the Categories should be moved up on the left...

Eh...I'll keep looking it over, like I said, maybe I'm missing something but I like the new look. I'm a big believer in making things crisp and pretty, it reflects well on us all. As long as they're got a team of programmer squirrels working on the actual MEAT of the site as well, getting ready to make the functioning just as crisp and pretty...then...I think I'm all set. The Showcases are dumb anyway...people should just spend more time working on actually promoting themselves with tools that work instead of thinking the Showcases will do the work for them.

BooHooHoo said...

bluh said...

For instance, the new emphasis on Pounce, which only shows shops that are actively updating or actually selling items. And that leaves out everyone I know.
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Pounce shows undiscovered shops as well.

bluh said...

Just looking up the numbers for shops you suspect are favorites proves nothing.

If you want to prove that most people drive red volkswagens, you don't just go out and count all the red volkswagens you can find and say, "I found a thousand red volkswagens - that's proof that most people drive red volkswagens."

You don't say, "I don't need to count red volkswagens - I know most people drive them because I see ten of them drive by my window every day."

You don't say, "Everyone KNOWS that most people drive red volkswagens so there's no point in denying it!"

No - you count ALL the cars and then you compare the number of red volkswagens to the total number of cars.

But then the next question - and one that is completely separate - is WHY the number of red volkswagens is what it is. If you DO find that most people drive red volkswagens it does not necessarily follow that there is an effort to promote them, or a conspiracy to suppress blue toyotas.

So knock yourself out, paw and claw - but you'll have to tally up every appearance of every shop before you can draw any conclusions - every seller's item appears with eleven others'. And don't forget to control for the number of items a person has listed - even if it were random, a person with a thousand items listed is a thousand times more likely to be noticed than someone with one item.

joyjoy said...

Seriously, If i see one more fucking crocheted chain on the front page i'm gonna freak the fuck out.

Really, who in the real world wears that shit?

And those fucking cowls.

It's so fucking tiring.

Paw and Claw Designs said...

Bluh,

I don't have the free time, the manpower, nor the money to invest in that level of research, and you know it.

something make me think you just might.

go for it.

PROVE my opinion wrong.

76 times out of 1050 FP's a month (that's 35 a day, which is a HIGH guess) is still LOTS more than many of the sellers that met admins "criteria" for front page get, regardless of my inability to fund and man a formal scientific study to prove it.

until then, i'm going by what i see with my own eyes..and 76/1050 is pretty stacked in someones favor, IMHO.

To put it another way, if I get the information that there are 10000 registered automobiles in my city, and I discover 1000 of them are Red VW's. well, i can be pretty sure that 10% of the cars in my city are red VWs.



I'm done trying to prove ANYTHING to you, because it is increasingly apparent that you simply CAN'T be proved wrong. it's statistically impossible.

KreatedbyKarina said...

HOW TO VERIFY FRONT PAGE "NUMBERS"

STEP ONE:http://www.flickr.com/search/groups/?w=779551%40N24&q=&m=pool
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I looked up my username and God, that was depressing.

Then I looked up a few of my biggest competitors and saw numbers like 33 times on the front page in two months, 70 times on the front page in two months, 45 times on the front page, etc. and THAT was enough to make me want to cook myself in a vat of lye.

Paw and Claw Designs said...

life-during-wartime said...
Thank you, thank you, thank you, for so clearly stating a part of the FP problem that is too often ignored.


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i just checked, my 2 times on the FP i was in a treasury that included one or more of my "suspected" favorites.

seems some sellers are the etsy treasury royal flush.



of course, i can't PROVE it.

so why am i even talking?

teawithfrodo said...

Keys:
No one was calling you names. however your reaction turned off quiet a few people.
How do you know what sellers do and don't concentrate on?

I'm not concentrating on my store now...I don't expect it to make it to the front page. But I know lots of other sellers who deserve to be on the front page but aren't. They also make lots of sales.

MIZ should have been a featured seller. he's sold so much on etsy...but they decided they didn't like him, so he got the cold shoulder no matter how good his product is.



Bluh:
you are talking out your butt.
with over 100,000 sellers on etsy when we keep seeing the same 6-12 on the front page I think we can all draw our own conclusions.

And I've seen some lovely shops...but these are the people who have spoken up. The theory of probability would only work if they were randomly chosen. But they aren't, admin choses them.
Your theory is flawed.

The Funny One said...

Conspiracy theories aside, there are other issues that sellers can rack up as the negatives of a 4 year old site that operates outside the usual ethical boundaries and flaunts it.

While "being cool and indie" might have been interesting 4 years ago, it lost its luster about 2 years ago. When paid employees have shops on the site and then pick 150% of all featured items on the site (with the new re-do) do you really think they aren't omitting their direct competitors? Or filtering out that huge list of sellers they love to mute?

Etsy does not think things through and takes shortcuts to the extreme------they have very short attention spans. They also have trend-fixations that last for months on end.

Etsy also encourages a complete lack of respect for its revenue source, uses a punative sytem that is highly suspect(legally) and focuses on personal attacks------and thus has spent 4 years encouraging that same shitty behavior between sellers.

Unethical practices just went out of fashion, Etsy, and it may not be the diminishing group of buyers who notice, but your sellers notice, and your complete disregard for and disrespect for them (with all its manifestations) are NOT going unnoticed in the larger artisan community.

Eventually, the lack of interest in building trust with sellers will come back to bite Etsy in the butt. And with the current economy, the consequences may hit sooner rather than later. You reap what you sow Etsy.

buddy said...

Ok, so to compare 2 of the front pages this morning, my earlier post of the 9:00 am front page showed the 12 sellers plus curator had 714 front pages between them.

The 10:00 am front page:
Curated by one of the featured sellers of the 9:00 FP, and the 9:00 FP curator is now a featured seller.
Curator: 49
Seller 1: 31
Seller 2: 17
Seller 3: 60
Seller 4: 26
Seller 5: 20
Seller 6: 24
Seller 7: 21
Seller 8: 26
Seller 9: 4 (poor thing...)
Seller 10: 22
Seller 11: 43
Seller 12: 53

That's 396 FP's between them.

Here's a breath of fresh air: this FP actually excludes the one seller who has been in EVERY FP in the flickr pool in the month of Nov (with the exception of the 2 they curated).

I can't imagine what these numbers would be if the flickr pool actually had every single FP.

buddy said...

I think my earlier post got lost, so here's the 9:00 am figures:

Curator: 59 front pages
Seller 1: 57
Seller 2: 38
Seller 3: 48
Seller 4: 109
Seller 5: 21
Seller 6: 56
Seller 7: 76
Seller 8: 48
Seller 9: 16
Seller 10: 52
Seller 11: 44
Seller 12: 90

Again, since the flickr pool is only a small sampling, one has to wonder how much larger these numbers would be if they included all FP's.

The Cranky One said...

If you go to POOL and then at the bottom the link or "all Group tags" you will get a tag cloud showing the most popular tags:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/etsyfrontpagers/pool/tags/

"This is a list of the 100 most used tags associated with the content in the Etsy Front Pagers- Treasury Screenshots pool. The bigger the link, the more popular the tag."

Normally there is a link for "all tags as well under the most popular with them in alpha order, I think you have to be a member see that though... I can't seem to see it right now.But anyway it's the top 100 tags... that pretty much narrows it down from the start.

Andy Mathis said...

I am still wondering if bluh is a seller at all.

Paw and Claw Designs said...

The Cranky One-

You Are a Rock Star...I Bow to You.

you did in half a second what took me a whole afternoon.

SMRT!

oddmanout said...

Buddy, thank you for gathering those stats. From Bluhs last comment I seriously doubt anything will change their mind. Not every front page is tagged so your numbers are probably lower than the actual counts.
Keys and Memories, I do spend my time focused on my business, making my product better and promoting it wherever I can. Reading this Blog is my one wicked pleasure, I gave up on the Etsy forums long ago.
What some of you newbies don't get is that many of the bitches here have been with etsy from the beginning. We have all spent a great deal of time and money promoting Etsy. Some of us have been listening to promises while getting shit on again and again. Maybe one day someone will write an Etsy history lesson for you and you can see how Etsy admins have taken advantage of the patience and kindness of sellers by making empty promises and supporting their friends in much more public ways than they are doing now.

geelizzie said...

there is one thing about the front page that gives unnoticed sellers a little help-the time machine 2 bar where everyone who lists actually gets a few seconds to be seen-so it's not all bad.

Keys and Memories said...

Blogger teawithfrodo said...

Keys:
No one was calling you names. however your reaction turned off quiet a few people.
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Sorry Frodo-
Calling me *Teachers Pet*??

TheSneakyOne said...

Dear Bluh, if you can't be civil, your comments will be moderated.

The Cranky One said...

I won't call you teacher's pet if you're reading this blog, and still posting, but I would call your first comment about being delighted or something seeing your name there a bit, mmm, a little arrogant and poking.

I also know you might not have intended that way, but when I first read it my first thought was "well fuck you too".

Even those at the TOP of the exposure list, the ones that appear sometimes multiple times a day, even in a row, on the FP and other places on the site find it rather obnoxious to be featured so often when it's such a sticking point.

It's good for your business, but it doesn't make your life easier or make you any friends with your fellow estyian - unless you like ass kissing.

My problem with all this is Etsy has built, even encouraged this cult of aura. The competition to love etsy more than the next person, to give what you can for the "cause" to smile while you get nothing in return. It breeds trouble. It turns people dark. It makes them attach feeling where they should not. When they show favorites, the ones who complain are criminalized, marginalized, and shunned, if not forced out.

People are placing blame in the wrong place! it's not the seller's fault they are heavily featured. It' ETSY'S fault! The sellers can't place themselves on those FPT. They aren't the ones picking them or making them. It's someone want THIER name, their store link, on the front page. So they pick a treasury of sure ringers to get them there. Etsy can't find it's ass let alone build a system to flag sellers that have been features X number of times this month/week/day.

Etsy needs to learn some ethics. It can't feature it's employees even if they DO have stores. It can't feature relatives.It's way past time they adapted some fucking ethics, grew up and got a help staff, and maybe,if they actually addressed/followed through customers complaints and suggestions there wouldn't be such a fucking witch hunt every other week.

MOJ said...

bluh said...

For instance, the new emphasis on Pounce, which only shows shops that are actively updating or actually selling items. And that leaves out everyone I know.
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Like somebody else said it also features people who have not sold yet.

I think the only way to allow pounce to randomly feature shops and not have it look totally stupid would be to somehow remove all the thousands of empty shops and figure out how to screen out the abandoned shops that still have an item or two listed.

Bluh,
The problem with your red Volkswagen theory is we are not saying everyone drives one. What we are saying it that NOT everyone drives one and yet we are seeing the SAME red Volkswagens over and over.

MOJ said...

Etsy needs to learn some ethics. It can't feature it's employees even if they DO have stores. It can't feature relatives.
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Even that would not bother me if there was more variety. So what if an admin shop showed up once in awhile ( a great while). They are sellers to and some make great stuff.

I'll tell you what I think the problem is. Admin itself can't work their messed up search feature so we end up seeing the same stuff over and over because it's to hard to find anything else.

bluh said...

I opened my Etsy shop two years ago next month, in fact, and started listing items a month after that. I've made hundreds of sales and thousands of dollars - not enough to live on, but enough to make it worthwhile. And to date I have never, ever, to my knowledge, been on the front page.

Are any of the etsy bitches actually sellers? Who knows? It seems a good deal of their readership is jumping ship, encouraged by this blog. If being an Etsy seller is a prerequisite for posting here, they'd better tone it down or there'll be nobody left to bitch.

stacy said...

The Gift Guides were like a lump of coal in my stocking last year (or should I say sh**) & here we are again holiday season 08 & Etsy has given me yet another lump of coal by featuring the GG's prominently on the FP. Thanks so much Etsy!

On a side note, if I have to hear the same old line from other sellers regarding the GG's & FP about the need to have great photos I think I'll hang myself with a hand knit cowl. There is something up with the kind of stats people are putting together regarding repeats that has very little to do with sellers photography skills. Is it just sheer laziness on the staffs part or something else (I'm leaning towards laziness)? This is my 3rd holiday season on Etsy & my sales are down sharply. Is it that my photos are crap, the economy even crappier (although Etsy sales stats would prove otherwise) or does it have more to do with the shitty search and Etsy constantly steering potential customers away from discovering my shop by sending them to the GG's & now Editors Picks with their constant repeats?

MI Zombie said...

I had Etsy's number long before Etsy Bitch came into existence.

buddy said...

I think the hullaballoo over Keys and Memories is getting out of proportion and away from the real point.

Keys and Memories has every right to be happy for the promo, and I'm glad for her. And stats-wise, flickr shows 7 FPs since July, which is not even close to the level of Admin favoritism that people are complaining about.

It's not the fault of the sellers that Admin wants to favor them - even the one who has over 110 FPs is not an admin shop, and I sincerely doubt they have any complicity in the selection. If you're lucky enough to be in Admins short list, I'm happy for your good fortune.

What we're not happy about is Admin's behavior - that they have this short list of curators, sellers and teams that they promote. Those curators and sellers are excellent. But there are many thousands more sellers and curators who are also excellent.

Admin is just plain lazy to not seek out a diverse offering within their site.

And to cut out segments like Pets and Art. I mean, really, cutting out Art? Cutting out Pets, a multi-billion dollar industry? And, really, cutting out Art???? WTF - no Art gift guide?? Duh, just Duh.

And another thing said...

First of all bluh:

If you look at the front page, it's obvious that the same people get shown all the time. Is it etsy's plot? No, I don't think so. I think it's more that Etsy chooses one look and one look only for the FP and curators are clever enough to know just what that look is. It's not hard to make a treasury that makes it to the front page, just add a pinch of well known front page sellers (with the look that etsy chooses) and throw in a few unknowns that have the same look. It's the blurry, slightly out of focus look with a close up of a small portion of the item in question. We all know it, we've seen the front page.

Keys:
I can't feel sorry for someone when all I have seen them do here and in the forums is this 'woe is me I'm going to cry because everyone is picking on me' thing and you know what? It's getting a bit tiring.

No one is attacking the sellers that make it to the front page either here on EB or in the forums and I think that has been made perfectly clear. Yet, you insist on attacking sellers that are 'complaining' saying that they are not doing enough to promote their shop. How does that work?

I mean really... said...

Isn't one of these an admin shop?

http://www.etsy.com/storque/spotlight/my-top-10-customized-moleskines-notebooks-2949/

MI Zombie said...

Oh I think there are some clear cut examples of certain people being picked because of who they are vs admin being lazy. Some of these people know exactly how to play the game as I have seen them in action! Some of it might be lazy admins but some is just out favoritism to the shit sandwich eaters!

life-during-wartime said...

Putting aside the issue of repeatedly selecting the same sellers from treasures for the FP, there are other issues with items and sellers chosen.

No seller should be included in a treasury, let alone be selected for the FP, who does not have their shop's info completed. Stuff like LOCATION, POLICIES, etc. Jumping an unprofessional seller to FP visibility is just inviting customer frustration and disappointment.

This is just one example. There are other issues I could mention.

aurora said...

Check out this item I saw in the gift guides:
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=15804218
I think she's talking to you guys!

MI Zombie said...

aurora said...

Check out this item I saw in the gift guides:
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=15804218
I think she's talking to you guys!

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Well this same user has another item in the GG imagine that SarahsSky featured all over Etsy. Who would have thunk?

Here she is with her second item:

http://www.etsy.com/gift-guides/over-100/37?&page=8

Who knows there may be more~

bluh said...

Well you can all keep dwelling on the "obvious" all you like. I'll continue to make my business decisions based on things I can control and can back up with actual evidence, not by blaming others and whining about my unfair lot in life.

TomDoesntLikeTurkey said...

bluh said...

Well you can all keep dwelling on the "obvious" all you like. I'll continue to make my business decisions based on things I can control and can back up with actual evidence, not by blaming others and whining about my unfair lot in life.
*******************
You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything!

Simone said...

Bluh, my business is doing fine, thank you - and I've even been featured on the Etsy front page numerous times over the last couple of years. Although I think it's fair to say that I'm far from being a favourite these days.

So I'm afraid I don't fit your stereotype of people blaming Etsy because they aren't selling well or supposedly aren't 'good enough' to get exposure. I can say that in spite of what I see as Etsy's serious shortcomings I'm doing okay.

Although almost all of my marketing efforts these days go into my own shop (where I get a lot better functionality and a lot more control for generally lower fees), Etsy is still an important part of my business. It's an important avenue for new buyers to find me and because I did a huge amount of marketing of my shop on Etsy when I first started, it's where a lot of older customers and people who came across my work at that time know where to find me.

Unfortunately over the last couple of years Etsy has lost my trust as a customer and has disappointed me so many times in so many ways. I may not agree with everything written at EB, but I can certainly relate to the general level of pissed-off-ness and disappointment.

As Etsy's customer I have every right to criticise where I feel it is warranted, especially if I feel their problems are hampering my business - just as you have every right to disagree with my criticisms or endlessly praise Etsy if you think it's warranted.

In spite of my frustrations, to this day I think that the idea at the heart of Etsy is a truly good one and I don't want to see it go down the toilet - especially as a result of what so often has looked like mis-management, lack of skills/knowledge and dodgy ethics.

So blaming Etsy for any shortcomings in my own business has absolutely nothing to do with it - I'm perfectly capable of blaming myself for those!

Deer Mountain Creations said...

I wish they'd be less clique' and more popular pick :-(
This is my only source of income and I have an established brand and now have to change it to shake off the Etsy image (of stuff you find on shelves in Goodwill when the novelty wears off) - I feel lost and am very sorry to have put all of my 'eggs' in one basket - shame on me for doing that...

The Funny One said...

The more I look at it, the more I am turned off completely from Etsy.

Oh yeah, ya all are gonna say "So? Don't look at it!" which is kinda like saying "Hey Guys! We changed the front page right in the middle of the holidays without EVEN ASKING YOU about it and if you don't like it, shove it, love, Etsy."

Recent history shows that Etsy likes to promote itself to the ends of the earth, so this is what they force down sellers throats again.

ALL THE FOCUS on the "new" front page is on Etsy Picked Promos and Faves and any teeny tiny little seller-control one half inch of Etsy is now delegated to second, third and tenth row. OK, sellers are now in the Rear Balcony and about to fall right out of the scene.

Oh Etsy (Guys!), just admit this has been your plan from the start - milk sellers for all you can, but keep on keepin' on doing your own thing to benefit your own asses, love, Sellers.

sillygirl said...

Etsy makes craft and being a crafter look so.... vanilla these days.

Diane said...

My 2¢ is this. I don't really care about who gets featured on the HP or who gets into the gift guides. There is going to be favoritism in any site that a handful of people curate.

The homepage is actually an improvement in a few ways, one being that categories are more above the fold. That is a huge boost to many sellers - at least to those whose categories are shown above the fold. Grouping all the "explore" things together actually tells people what they are for - that is an improvement in itself.

However, the real issue is search. Supplies and Vintage have no place on Etsy until they are part of the main search - there is no point in trying to grow a business on Etsy if you are part of those categories. I've moved onto my on shop because Etsy didn't want me. I was happy paying them $175 a month in fees, but once they cut me out of the search, my fees went to $100/ month then $60/ month and so on. Not because I wasn't trying, but because customers can't find me.

So I guess my point is that the aesthetic change on the homepage isn't that big of a deal, it won't kill anyone's business. What is a big deal is that it is a band-aid over the real problem.

Etsy needs a real competitor.

sochmen said...

i cant agree enough about the search issue. the reason why people are fighting and furious about the front page, gift guides and favoritism is solely because it is the only way for people to find our products in the mistagged and forlorn categories, saturated with resellers and batch renewals.
the common denominator doesnt seem to be malicious or intentional so much as it is sheer laziness on the part of those who could be doing a better job. startups are well known for the energy and passion of their underpaid and visionary employees. this groups seem particularly lethargic. perhaps b/c they are up all night working on their own shops????

Moda di Magno said...

Hold onto your hats, Etsy, at my request, cancelled my upcoming showcases and refunded the fees. It only took one email.

That is firmly in their favor.

Megan McGory said...

Diane, when Artfire gets the site traffic that Etsy gets, Etsy will beg for the days that we cared about them. Artfire will give Etsy a run its money.

yay! Just a matter of time. Etsy doesn't care, I had to stop because it was so unhealthy to care.