Wednesday, June 11, 2008

Quotable Quotes: Data Base

Don't mess with the sacred Database:

PP: "The idea that changing these things confuses the database does not make sense. It seems like it was given to us as a reason because it sounded tech-ie enough to satisfy most of us."

R: "I'm sorry...but does anyone who doesn't believe the data base is messed up by this...have any experience with this type of work? just curious"

PP: "I don't, R.
But I don't know how to build an airplane, either, and I know I can stand up and change seats while it's in the air and nothing awful will happen."

29 Comments:

Ladies Auxilliary said...

Wow.

lessa said...

RD just doesn't want to admit he doesn't have the knowledge necessary to run an operation this big.

Honestly, what is his background? Does he have a computer science degree or is his knowledge based on tinkering with his own system/computer.

lessa said...

Adding to that, I do understand some things take time, my husband is in the field. Most of the problems though have been problems for a year or so. That is unacceptable and if you need more staff you find it.

They either pay squat or they are not looking very hard if they can't find competent staff for the engineering dept.

lessa said...

Hahaha,

I didn't look at the thread first and thought it was RD, not RB. Sounds like him defending his baby though, and I still believe he's in way over his head.

I guess its possible that the database was written so that area is hardcoded and other areas like pictures are variable. I can hear my husband saying its a poor design in my head though.

Ok, enough time wasted on Etsy for now.

impetuous said...

I think RB has a sock puppet account. Look at this little crazy back and forth. Is she talking to herself?

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5391080&page=12

Why is someone with two sales taking on the big issues? She is 10 kinds of crazy.

The Righteous One said...

I'm calling shenanigans!

Yes, changing an item to a oompletely different item will mess up the database attributes, but that only matters if something is using those attributes. Etsy doesn't! They have tags and no upload to Google base. The search engine manually crawls each page and will update when it recrawls.

PP has a point, if the database was that easily messed up, we wouldn't be able to edit the title, tags, or price.

SHENANIGANS!!! They just want their twenty cents.

wigtime said...

As has been pointed out to Etsy admin, RB is the cause of more closed threads than religion and politics combined. She reserves much of her venom for S&V sellers, but has enough to spread around.

Why haven't they shut her up? Some think she's an Etsy stooge, but couldn't they get someone a little smarter, with more refined arguments? Maybe not....

impetuous said...

shenanigans is right. Etsy RELIES on everyone being techtarded.
On top of that, I am starting to think some of these teflon asshats are just Etsy admin performing damage control on threads that start shedding light on it all.

What a fucking joke.

TheSneakyOne said...

Guys, while I agree with the sentiment about RB, let's keep it focused on the issues.

impetuous said...

sorry sneaky. she was quoted so I just went with it.

Etsy needs to wake up to the fact that there are people on their site that see through these weak excuses.

If they already know that and are relying on the majority that don't to keep the fact hidden, well...

wow.

Closed Threads said...

Neither of those accounts are RB.

And I'd also like to see resumes from Admin members.

The Kinky One said...

For the record: I was using RB's quotes to set up PP's marvelous metaphor.

Now, on with the bitching!

southerncalgal said...

impetuous, you just outed yourself.

impetuous said...

You got me. My real name is Roger Keith, not Syd Barret. :(

southerncalgal said...

when you post repeated posts calling out someone you have spats with on the forums, it's not that hard to figure out.

TheSneakyOne said...

Southerncalgal, you are on warning. No battles will be fought here unless it is to change Etsy for the better.

southerncalgal said...

sorry, no trouble here.
I just saw a comment repeated in two places

eclipse said...

The database excuse is one that riles me. They use it as the excuse for making locked threads unsearchable, and is there ANYone who buys that?
They seem to use "it hurts the database" as a reason/excuse/explanation for many things when they don't really want to say the real reason.

impetuous said...

back to the drawing board Southerncalgal, I don't post I lurk.

The Righteous One said...

No egging on, Impetuous.

Please.

Battles go two ways.

impetuous said...

I love getting a bitch slap! :O

The Cranky One said...

We know you do Impy. MMMM we know you do.

:goes to find whip and ball gag:

impetuous said...

delightful!

Adam Selene said...

I agree completely with Eclipse's statement that the database excuse is overused - such as being the reason they hide closed threads from the forum search, gimme a break that's bull and we all know it.

However, changing a listing into a completely different item does have consequences even if it has no hearts; consequences outside of Etsy. What if someone linked to it in a blog post or a thread somewhere, or has bookmarked the listing page directly in their browser (as I do because I don't want the world to see some of my favourites)? I'd like to see Etsy add that to their reason in the D&D, people would understand that. But Admin never seems to take the world outside of Etsy into account.

P.S. I agree that the metaphor was really great. I just don't think it is completely accurate to the situation. But I do love it anyway.

Anonymous said...

I have an MS in Computer Science with a specialty in databases, as well as 15 years (yup, still doing it) experience. You don't confuse databases. You're confused yourself.

eclipse said...

There also might be the slight possibility that someone has your item in their shopping cart at the exact moment you edit it to another item, and then as they continued to check out they would buy the wrong thing. That would be bad.
But, that could be avoided by putting the item in edit mode for a couple of days before changing it. People can't buy things in edit mode and they go blank in your favorites.

The Righteous One said...

I thought that if an item was edited while in your cart it shows an error when you purchase anyway.

That's why some buyers have to delete it from their cart and readd it when shipping is changed for their location.

eclipse said...

oh yep you are right. so strike that reason off the list. The only true reason left is hearts, as far as I can see.

spacey said...

I'm one of the people in that thread. The "rules police" ran loose on those of us trying to make sense of it all.

I have experience with databases.

Databases aren't stupid... they do what you tell them to do.





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