Friday, June 6, 2008

Heated Debate

Anytime a number of people get together, particularly when discussing topics that can make the blood boil and the bile rise, there are bound to be screaming matches, name calling, and foaming at the mouth. We here at EtsyBitch try to show restraint during these times and to restrain others from harming each other, but aren't always successful.

Hey, we're human. What can we say? Plus we're only like a week or two old and really, are we expected to actually do anything before we hit the 5 year mark? I mean come on, we're not a normal blog! Doing things in an established way is stuffy and so 80s! *ahem*

It is unfortunate that an online venue is so entwined in our lives that these reactions come naturally at the mention of another's name or when referring to a particular situation for illustration purposes. Though I can not speak for all the bitches, and am but one person myself (though a righteous one! oh yeah!!) I would like to say this:

Let's all try to be civil and behave ourselves. You're not on Etsy when you're here!

Which brings me to my bitch of the day - What the fuck is so special about a website that it makes us want to cut each other off at the legs, punch each other in the face, and spill blood with such venom? This is a constant thing in the Etsy forums. Whether it's the supply/vintage vs handmade wars, admin vs sellers, sellers vs buyers, seller vs seller, or what have you...there is a constant air of hatred and loathing pervading the 'community'.

Not much of a community if you ask me!

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go spend the next few hours starting threads about the items I'm going to flag so I feel superior.

Edit: Someone pointed out to me that

"once sellers are treated with respect by Etsy, then maybe it'll cross over between sellers... and Etsy stepping up to the plate finally will create the TRUE community they have been trying to force on us since day one."
I felt that's worthy of being on the main post rather then relegated to comments.

18 Comments:

Pam said...

Well said!

impetuous said...

It would help if people stopped pointing out the Etsy Focus as if Etsy has this clear and direct vision for the future. I think they are still making a lot up on the fly over there in Brooklyn.

Why are we fighting among ourselves over shit they don't even have any answers too?

AliciaMae said...

That's why I've stopped frequenting the forums. I pop in sometimes, but don't stay for long.

Krystan said...

Just make sure you don't rickroll anyone.

The Cranky One said...

I have no idea what you mean.

TheSneakyOne said...

Sorry Anon, but no anonymous postings, per Cranky One's orders.

Forum Rubbernecker said...

The forums are AWFUL. Way too many members are out of control. On every side of every argument, that goes for copiers, stalkers, those being copied, those being stalked, everyone!

eclipse said...

"What the fuck is so special about a website that it makes us want to cut each other off at the legs, punch each other in the face, and spill blood with such venom?"
...

Nothing is that special about Etsy. This enmeshment happens at many online forums. It's definitely not unique to Etsy. It's often in direct proportion to how many hours the members spend on the site.

TheSneakyOne said...

Eclipse, I believe that question was entirely meant to be a rhetorical one.

impetuous said...

forum rubbernecker, what sort of holy ground are you standing on that you can judge both sides?

EVERYONE is out of control? This is an Etsy management problem, pure and simple.

eclipse said...

Well, rhetorical or not, I am just saying this kind of forum behavior is not unique to Etsy. That constant air of loathing you smell? It's everywhere! I have seen it way too many times to be shocked by it anymore, and I can't really think that Etsy management is the only cause because then what explains it happening everywhere else? Actually when I first saw Etsy's forums I thought they were like a teddy bears picnic compared to some others(ebay for one example). People just seem much thinner-skinned on Etsy, and the large numbers of internet-newbies leads to frequent tempests-in-teapots.
Etsy management does indeed have problems, but I am not really sure there is a causative link between that and the behavior of forum inhabitants. I think they were naive to think their "community" would be any different from every other online community. (and every human society in general)

Sorry for the pessimism.

TheSneakyOne said...

Sweetheart, rhetorical means that we already know the answer and don't need you to answer it. We certainly don't need you to explain it, after all we're not dolts, and we certainly do not need a mother figure. *pats head*

The Disgruntled One said...

I hear you, eclipse. Actually, I've seen nastier forums out there, too, than Etsy. I agree with you about the newbies -- that has certainly led to some rather exciting threads!

But lately, it has seemed markedly worse. And I do believe that there's a certain tone set by Admin (that, of course, reflects the tone set by rokali) -- we saw that when Anda and daniellexo were allowed to roam the forums at will. Just plain, outright nastiness.

When that happens, I think it sends a message to the other posters, that being nasty is okay.

I also think that some of the angst on the Forums is due to the fact that Etsy's infrastructure is really, really showing how badly designed it was in the first place. Etsy has grown so quickly that the site is having problems supporting that growth. There are a lot of people selling (or rather, not selling), they have a lot of time on their hands, and they're frustrated.

The Kinky One said...

"When that happens, I think it sends a message to the other posters, that being nasty is okay."

Yet it's only ok for certain posters. Good luck figuring out if you are one of them. If you aren't, then your threads get locked at warp speed for stupid shit like "calling out". When the calling out in question is simply asking where is Recovery Babe or someone else muted.

How in the hell is that calling out????

The Disgruntled One said...

That's true. Some people have been given a lot of leeway by Admin to be as nasty as they like. Others are shut up more quickly.

And apparently, as far as Admin is concerned, having a foul mouth is worse than stalking or harassing other people.

After all, Admin chose a serial harasser as a featured seller, not too long ago.

ebbandflo said...

etsy is my first internet forum to be involved with so it's interesting to hear that other forums can be just as unpleasant or more so, and that it's not a peculiarly etsy thing going on. i also think the etsytopian community idea is naive and but do believe that a lot of the forum moderation, management etc (as well as other aspects of the site) is to blame for a lot of the 'bad' behaviour seen on etsy.
as eclipse says, it's how much a user is enmeshed in a site which influences their interactions, and personally speaking i spent an awful lot of time on the etsy forums when i first discovered them. they were initially a helpful and friendly place to hang out - maybe that's why i stay around them even now. i'm not sure if newbies would be so encouraged by 'community' joining now.

AliciaMae said...

I was involved in moderating a forum the past few years and when things got bad the admin and moderators were responsible for bringing it back to center. Etsy doesn't do that beyond a halfhearted and understaffed attempt and so things have gotten as bad as they are. Just because other places can get bad doesn't mean it should. Particularly since they push that community idea, as so many others have pointed out.

The Righteous One said...

There are quite a few reasons why things are out of control.

The question is: who has to do what to change that?

And admin are the head of the stinky fish. soooooo....