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It occurred to me today after reading the latest Etsy Finds or some other promotional piece that Etsy is absolutely a juried site.
- To be successful here you have to be promoted from within and by Etsy.
- To be promoted here you have to be juried in, i.e.be a friend of or a relative of or in some kind of relationship with admin OR you have to be a cheerleader and in no way controversial or negative OR you have to be bringing in a lot of revenue for Etsy (eg. resellers and other shops which have been flagged repeatedly and somehow are still there).
-Then you are featured as a seller on the front page, in Etsy Finds, in the Gift Guides, in media releases ... and so on, thus successful and you can give up your day job.
Whoever says Etsy does not jury is deluded IMO or maybe they just call it by its proper name - favouritism. Not only that, Etsy has refined this jury technique to the point where, just like everything else Etsy does, they eventually reveal their real intentions.
Thursday, June 26, 2008
From the Bitches Auxiliary
Posted by The Kinky One at 8:06 PM
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Etsy does not care and is completely out of touch with it's customers. They run their site as if no one else has a stake in anything they do or promote.
It's time to face the sad pathetic truth that Etsy is nothing more than a bunch amateurs making things up as they go. I feel sorry for all of the people that volunteer their time and energy "helping" these people when it goes right over their heads.
The OP here is right. It is a boys and girls club and the success they've had has gone completely to their heads.
I must confess to a bitter taste in my mouth when I saw the new Storque article on objects with organs..
And my Anatomica Collection which started the fucking trend in jewellery, and has given a lot of money to Etsy, gets summarily ignored, while my biggest copycat is there.
I've been critical in the Forums lately..
Humm..
Yeah,..........it's been obvious from day 1 that etsy plays favorites, and pushes the living hell out of the sellers it favorites. Gawd, if only everybody had a shot at that kind of promotion from the inside it would be incredible!
It's sad, and disappointing, to see featured sellers, and KNOW FOR A FACT that some of us will just never be there, no matter how successful we make ourselves, or no matter how great our work is, because we're just not part of the crowd. Although I love etsy, more and more it feels like a police state.
Found this site...interesting. What I don't understand is that if you're so miserable, just leave. Do you eat a meal you hate at a restaurant? Do you walk out of a movie you hate? This seems to me to be the online version of "This milk is rotten! Come smell this! Doesn't it smell rotten? You too; come here and smell this rotten milk."
This is a capitalism. If etsy displays bad business practices, it will die and go out of business. If you truly believe that it sucks- leave and don't give them your money.
They are a company; not a anthropormophic entity. They do not have to "be" what you want to them to "be".
You either like what they're selling or you don't. They are under no obligation to "do" anything. There obligation is to their investors. That's it.
Really, if you're that miserable, tell them to take their crazy and sell it somewhere else.
You have a choice!
I think the Etsy admins have a certain aesthetic and don't see very far beyond it. The sameness of the Etsy Finds, the Gift Guides, the front page, featured sellers...even the "design" (I use that term loosely) of the Etsy craft fair booths all have a certain vibe. I think there's an appeal there to a particular market, but it's a limited market. I'm not sure whether they don't recognize this or just don't care.
Actually, you have a lot less of a choice when it's a business that is so closely linked with yours - it's not like a supplier of glitter, say, when you can always go somewhere else and get your glitter.
A lot of people spend a lot of time, energy and money promoting their Etsy shops before it sinks in what is really going on.
I personally rely on income from my Etsy shop to help me pay my rent and put food on the table. I do have my own online shop which now solely gets my marketing efforts, but the large amount of groundwork I did for my Etsy shop to start off with continues to pay off and continues to see me get customers there. I cannot afford to walk away from it right now, no matter how badly I think the place is run, or how much better I know I'd be doing if the place was run better or how much I question the ethics of what goes on.
It's a bit like setting up shop in the only major shopping mall in your town and building up a decent customer base of local people before realising that all is not well with mall management. But at the same time, there is nowhere else to go which will allow you to keep the customers that you've come to rely upon to make ends meet.
Do you just give up or do you work to try to bring about an improvement in the situation?
For fuck's sake, another "if you don't like, just leave" post ...
'voice of reason', we (the bitches and those who support them) complain because we care. If we didn't care about Etsy, we WOULD leave. But, we want to stay and we want certain aspects of Etsy to be fixed, and we want administrators to run the site less amateurly. And where does it state anywhere on here that we hate Etsy? And what you do mean by "You either like what they're selling or you don't." Etsy doesn't sell anything - we the sellers do the selling; we are their investors. So, they are obligated to US to correct the problems that we complain about. Etsy also owes it to our buyers.
We do have a choice, and our choice is to stay with Etsy and to make it known that so many Etsians are unhappy with particular aspects. If those aspects don't change, then yes - Etsy will fail as a business. We don't want to see that happen, so we are Calling Out For Change.
Oh, and 'voice of reason,' please read the sidebar on the homepage of EtsyBitch titled "About This Blog." You obviously didn't read it, so please do so before commenting again.
There was a period of time when nearly ever other featured seller was from Brooklyn or the surrounding area. It is very easy to see who is friends with Admin just by reading a few select blogs or looking through their flickr photos. It can be so transparent and they must know this. That's what makes it so disappointing - they don't care if their agenda is right there, kicking us all in the teeth.
You are absolutely correct. Sadly, I find myself being a suckup. Because I want to be a favorite, I want the exposure. Etsy is juried, but not in the way it should be. You are not judged by your art, you are judged by your suckupness.
Yes, Etsy encourages a certain vibe, promotes based on certain preferences, and admin seems to play favorites.
Calling out for change sounds like a good idea, but based on my experience with other online venues I doubt change will happen. Not change for the better that addresses these issues, anyway.
This does not mean that Etsy will go out of business or shops won't make sales. It is just very hard for a business to change when even the basic mission statement (being the place for everything handmade) is violated every day when, for example, resellers are permitted to remain open after flaggers present admin with hard evidence of what these businesses are about.
Etsy has other problems, too. The staff makes a lot of stupid assumptions about the handmade community based on stereotypes. Today I saw a forum thread about a search in the midwest for 'older' makers of 'traditional' crafts for a video presentation. Say what? There are no quilt-stitching grannies in the NY metro area? Everyone there is young and hip, and you have to hit the flyover states to find tradition-minded seniors. OMFG! As an east coast senior who is anything but traditional, I find that offensive on so many levels.
IMO it's the same kind of thinking as reseller clothing factory from China/Korea on Etsy? Okay, maybe. 20 person original design clothing manufacturer in the USA nuh-uh, no way.
But yeah I know. Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. The Etsy philosophy is too big for fairness and consistency.
I was so embarrassed when I read that armpit.
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5684803
vanda: no offense, but I'm willing to bet the lack of mention was based more on some of your gnarly feedback rather than your dissension.
I bitch about etsy when it's deserved, but I'm hard pressed to cry foul over this particular instance.
In regards to the main post, it's very true. However, I do have to give props to the admins for at least recognizing some non-indie crafts. In the early days it was even more hipster than it is today.
~qb
Thanks for the link, impetuous. When I saw it there were only a couple of posts on that thread. Looks like a few Etsians felt just like I did when they read it. I do think getting vids of crafters from all over the globe might be cool, as long as they aren't being asked to give a how-to presentation that is. But I think the goal should be to find people who are good at what they do and are comfortable interview subjects. The age, gender, region, nation etc etc shit is offensive to me. What did you find embarrassing about the thread? Are you Maria in disguise?
qb -- I first saw Etsy about 2 years ago, and thought the the front page was set up to offer items for a wider variety in taste. The pics showed a whole object and were excellent quality. The item titles pretty much always told you what it was. Now the pics are lower quality, they are 'artsy' and silly (don't show what the item is), the titles are creative writing 101 (like 'dark and stormy' for a blackened sterling earring). I'm fine with site and staff being hipster as long as good art and craft, no matter the style, is offered a chance to shine.
"What did you find embarrassing about the thread?"
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The call out for old people.
Hey old people! We know it's always about us!
Since we are young and some of you are old we thought we should feature some old people to show you all how much we care! We are listening and we think you people complaining must be crotchety and old! That's how we got this really awesome idea to film you being all old and crafty! Cupcake anyone?
el-stinko: the artsy photos drive.me.nuts. If it was a coffee table book on 'fancy photos of stuff I have for sale', I'd be all over it. However, when I want to buy something I'd really like to be able to see everything at once, in focus!
I think part of the issue with the front page now is b/c of the treasury system. In the 'olden' days, the front pages were made by everyone, haim, chris, matt, etc. and many times the items would be found by one of them dropping into chat going 'help, I need items that have x in them!'. This resulted in some interesting front page.
My impression on 'hipness' comes mostly from featured sellers. I'm actually pleased they've branched out and have started picking some more mainstream crafters and they don't keep one seller up for ever (raise your hand if you remember the seller who was up for 2+ weeks). I do get confused every now and then, i.e. sellers who have pretty pictures but crap technique, but overall they're covering more styles than they used to. I'm waiting for the day they feature a real quilter *hopes she's remembering things right*.
~qb
qb says: In the early days it was even more hipster than it is today.
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I have to disagree, qb. In the early days I felt "traditional" crafts seemed to mesh hand-in-hand with the "hipster" stuff. Now there is a terrible disconnect.
Oh, peeps, I ain't even gonna look at that thread you're talking about. I'm "old" and from the Midwest and I'm sure it would really piss me off.
vanda, The same thign hapened with the pincushions one. I was featured, which shocked the hell out of me ince I'm so outspoken, but BetzWhite wasn't. And she litterally wrote the damn book on felted sweater cupcake pincushions, been on Martha the whole bit. But instead they had one of her copycats there featured instead. I commented hat couldn't believe BetzWhite wasn't there, and they added her fast. To the bottom.
I don't think they do any research and it's purely on what ever sparkly thing is in their favorites, or a treasury they saw. They don't search to find say the true best of etsy.
I don't' mean to sound harsh, but one thing people over look is that etsy admins most likely have VERY little business/sales experience. I'm assuming most people on this site are full time etsy users, but the admins are not, there simply people with a job.
Oh my GOD! Martha Stewart IS INVOLVED! I can see it now. Etsy's new mascot is a 67 year-old lady from Arkansas who knits by day, and makes miniatures by night. She cooks, she cleans, and she's real. Unlike Betty Crocker.
Damn, AuntFanny was hoping to be Etsy's new mascot! She neither cooks nor cleans, but she smokes like a chimney over the crafts she makes while waiting for the Fleet to come to port!
impetuous said...
I was so embarrassed when I read that armpit.
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5684803
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I seriously cannot believe this thread/request. Could it be more offensive? "... little old lady who has been quilting for 60 years!"
Like OMG, someone who doesn't make felted mustaches OMG OMG OMG!!! They must live in midwest! "Old school"? WTF???
Wow. Seriously, I have no words for that one.N-O-N-E.
Jen & Vanda - that sort of stuff happens ALL the time with Etsy's "trend" finds in the Storque.
They so often ignore the originator of a "trend" and feature their copycats instead - sometimes giving the copycat an entire feature, sometimes just missing off the obvious trendsetting person from their selection like the pincushion thing: how can you work at Etsy, and not recognise that that person has ripped off one of your most well known sellers? Jeez.
Their lack of research in these things does backfire on their favourites sometimes though: if enough people copy you, you're old news and your idea is a "trend" even if you've been a featured seller.
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5684803&page=7
I can't believe that even the admin can't make use of the search tools on Etsy.
Ok, so I beleive it, I'm just awed at the fact that they don't even try to hide the fact!
smartypants, I almost thought the same thing. Until I remembered that everything they do is centered around the forums, even though they admit that only 2-3% of users even come there. If they didn't announce their stroque news in the forums, no one would read it.
So imagine using a feature that might bring up someone who has no clue who you are or what you are talking about. Vanessa? From the what? Is this a scam?
Like everything else on the site, they depend on the users to do the legwork.
The more people hang out in the forums tossing out and chewing up new ideas for Etsy the less likely they will be to start thinking for themselves.
Every now and then a seller posts in the forums about how honorable some other seller is for fielding newbie questions and generally being helpful.
UM, why is that our responsibility? I don't see Etsy giving out awards or paychecks for that! Sometimes it seems like everyone has been brainwashed into doing what Etsy does not want to PAY to take care of themselves!!!
Impetuous said "Sometimes it seems like everyone has been brainwashed into doing what Etsy does not want to PAY to take care of themselves!!!"
How true!! They are laughing all the way to the bank w/ wheel barrells full of $$$$$
Voice of reason: You've hit the nail on the head friend--we DON'T want to leave, that's the whole point. We just want Etsy to stop sucking. Yes, that presents a bit of a dilemma, but somehow we think dissent is productive.
Back to the topic at hand: I absolutely agree that Etsy stinks of favoritism. However, as yet another someone who Etsy "doesn't promote", I am actually happy with my sales. The result of not being a "chosen seller" is that my business has taken the path of a more standard business growth--that is, it's taken me a few years to get to where I am. Now that I'm where I am, my customers find me, on Etsy and through other avenues, and honestly I don't really need Etsy to promote me. In a way, it's nice--I have succeeded DESPITE Etsy's lack of dedication to sellers. And I don't have to give them credit for my success, because it's not theirs to take :)
I guess what I'm saying is, I don't think it's Etsy's job to promote individual sellers. BUT,I agree, the manner in which they do choose to promote certain sellers, or certain types of sellers, and not others, is like watching a homecoming queen contest. But that's neither here nor there.
At least I can say my success has come from hard work, not from being a suck up. I guess that's the last laugh of the ignored sellers. I think Etsy thinks their attention is worth a lot more than it actually is.
When I have actually made it to the front page, it has not brought me sales...not one. People who pay for showcase spots can tell you, this isn't the jackpot either. And um...how many people in the general buying public read the Etsy Storque thoroughly enough to make a millionaire of a featured seller? Not so many.
So...it's annoying, but it's also laughable. Here I am flying (and many others) under the Etsy radar, but succeeding nonetheless.
If they seriously think they're the cool, ultra hip tastemakers that they think they are, someone better send a newsflash to my customers, peope who manage to find us because of OUR efforts rather than Etsy's popularity contest.
I want to see them spend more time promoting the whole site, and widening their target audience, just the teensiest bit-- come on Etsy, you can do it--and quit wasting time on a pointless, stupid cool kids game.
C'mon, EB. That disaster from Vanessa deserves its own post!
What if "old" was replaced with "fat"?
Hi!!!:) This is your favorite cute admin, Cupcake Head! We have a long layover in Hicksville, so we thought we'd feature our fatter demographic. After all, you've got 'em there!
We're not looking for cute, skinny, hip crafters like us. We want big-ass boomers who do traditional crafts like whittlin' and chewed tobacco sculpting.
I'm dreaming of the 600 lb man who can't leave his house, but still makes knit beer can hats.
Convo us, fatties!
Simone said, "I personally rely on income from my Etsy shop to help me pay my rent and put food on the table. I do have my own online shop which now solely gets my marketing efforts, but the large amount of groundwork I did for my Etsy shop to start off with continues to pay off and continues to see me get customers there."
Two very important points, Simone. I feel for those who have invested a great deal of time and money into promoting Etsy in order to maintain their livelihood. I think that many of the newer Etsians fail to realize just how much some people have put into the site. IMO, without the efforts of these people, Etsy would have likely failed within the first year.
Voice of Reason, I have to ask you, if you had some kids running around town handing out fliers for your biz, would you kick 'em in the nuts when they came back and asked for backpack to carry those fliers in? Would you kick them in the nuts and then say, "If you don't like it, don't hand out my fliers?"
Etsy has, and still does, rely on members for 90% of their advertising and promotion. It's a thankless job and it always has been. Telling people to like it or leave it is fucking ridiculous. Especially when you consider the personal and financial investments made by many of the currently dissatisfied customers.
Three years later, all Etsy has to offer it's members is a big fat kick in the nuts. Unless, of course, you're a "special friend," in which case you get a nice juicy blow job.
My situation is similar to Ladies Auxilliary in that I have managed to achieve a good amount of sales with no promotion from Etsy at all. I have never been featured anywhere (just once in the gift guides and the rare front page treasury), in fact, I often feel pretty invisible on Etsy. I have watched other shops completely change their entire style and look to mimic mine and I have watched one of those sellers become the featured seller. Meanwhile I still have more sales than any of them. It is an odd feeling to have a certain amount of success and still go unnoticed. And yet I am certain that if I ever achieve "break out" success (outside of Etsy) Etsy admin will be very quick to say "I knew her when."
27: HAHAHAHAAHA...picturing Etsy Admins delivering nut-kicks...awww, it's so painful and so true :)
Hippiebitch: You've really captured the US AND THEM culture of Etsy headquarters :) Brilliant! You forgot to add "Hey, who wants to be our token fat person!". I know othing makes ME want to be included like condescension, why should "older" Etsians be any different!
I knew her when - I wonder that too. I've worked really hard trying to promote Etsy, spent a ton of time in the forums trying to help others succeed (and help admin in the process), but am starting to feel the disenchantment others have been feeling and have taken more to voicing my concerns in the fora. I'm not even really keeping up with the Newbie Guide anymore, which I had been extremely diligent about for over a year. I'm frustrated by lax policy enforcement, favoritism, and the games it seems admin. is playing lately.
Because of this I'm broadening my venue base and looking to set up my own website. So many of us have tried so hard to make it a viable venue, and it seems admin. undermines individual efforts at way too many turns.
I know I was once considered a "cheerleader". It's sad when even a cheerleader has little desire to cheer anymore....
My favorite comment here is from old hippie bitch:
"We're not looking for cute, skinny, hip crafters like us. We want big-ass boomers who do traditional crafts like whittlin' and chewed tobacco sculpting.
I'm dreaming of the 600 lb man who can't leave his house, but still makes knit beer can hats."
Thank you. I think I've hurt myself! I've just been watching that trainwreck, but I'm seriously tempted to post this right in Vanessa's damned thread.
Fortunately for me, an etsy search for knit beer can hats brought three results, none of which were knit beer can hats.
Crocker, you may be right. pie, cupcakes, tutorials.......smells like martha...
Re Vanessa's ridiculously condescending and horrible post - this just sums up Etsy for me. Wow! what a joke. I'm so disappointed, but not surprised.
It's just so upsetting. Where is the COO - where oh where! No business in their right mind would allow ageism and other types of issues like this.
Thanks for this blog - EtsyBitch - too bad no one is listening at Etsy.
el-stinko said:
Today I saw a forum thread about a search in the midwest for 'older' makers of 'traditional' crafts for a video presentation.
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I know this was offensive to non-Midwesterners, but how about us stuck in this, the country's armpit? Like we're all busy making dolls with dried apple heads? (I am going to take up the knit beer can hat idea though. While I'm watching Hee-Haw.)
I chose Etsy over setting up my own shopping cart site. I already have a website and am perfectly capable (in theory) of building adding a cart but thought I would do better on a site that had a built in "fan base" and "foot traffic". Which it does... and I've had a fair amount of success for a jewelry designer that isn't an admin favorite and doesn't promote much.
But I do know that if I want to do better I need to promote. But if I'm going to have to do all the advertising, promoting and marketing, why on earth would I drive those customers to Etsy where I could potentially loose the sale to another designer or pay fees on the few sales I do make?
I think more and more Etsy sellers are going to start realizing this and setting up their own shop. It just seems the smart thing to do.
Ivy, I know I have - in fact, I always promoted my own website since the beginning, even when the shop link linked to Etsy. I always had the feeling I might like to go my own way one day.
callooh callay said: I know this was offensive to non-Midwesterners, but how about us stuck in this, the country's armpit? Like we're all busy making dolls with dried apple heads? (I am going to take up the knit beer can hat idea though. While I'm watching Hee-Haw.)
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Exactly! If I worked for Etsy and wanted to get videos of Midwestern crafters I'd be interested in everything/everyone. Even the east coast has rural counties, and I've lived in one that had less than 20K residents. If ever an indie hipster needed a boost from Etsy it would be someone from a place like where I lived!
So, I say --
Traditional crafts? Great! Any age, any location.
Older artisans? Bring 'em on! But who cares where they live or what they make? Personally, I wanna see a granny who makes bondage straps...just for fun.
Midwesterners? Awesome! But let's not cherrypick our sellers based on silly stereotypes.
Sheesh, someone needs to rent HAROLD AND MAUDE and have a showing at Etsy Labs.
Re: We need old oldentime crafters from hicksville.
The interesting thing about etsycorp is how it reveals itself.
They want to be inclusive, but they attempt it in such a way that their prejudices and natural preferences see the light like what lingers in the bottom of an outhouse.
And, a bit OT I know, but I am still struggling with the horror of their presentation of etsy at the renegades function.
It's become "the" visual tagline to the etsycorp joke.
The emperor hasn't any clothes and to make things worse, he needs a change...
Did you all see Daneille's eloquent response to Vanessa's thread.
It went like this..... wait for it......."Ouch"
They do care!
Yep and after she posted "ouch" she started sending out rapid fire convo's telling people not to be "meanies".
oh the irony
i've always promoted my own .com, too... i've had the .com and been promoting it since before i pointed it to my etsy shop [since 1999]... but, since i've always promoted my .com, my customers have always followed me where i lead them.
and even tho i'm trying to ditch that name... now... and use a new name, i'll keep the .com... because i sunk a lot of money into promoting it, and i can point it where ever i want.
owning a .com is the best move any small business can take. i'm glad to see that other people are aware of it. because sometimes i think no one realizes how important it is to control your personal marketing.
imagine if you spent 3 years promoting your etsy url, and then etsy goes under. that's a lot of years promoting something that people may find later and can no longer see.
80% of businesses fail in the first 5 years. e-commerce sites like etsy are at the top of high risk failures.
Even to have your idea presented in Etsy Finds is hard to do - I suggested something (quite good, I thought) to Anda MONTHS ago.
Still haven't seen it.
Instead, almost every "Finds" has been prefaced with this:
"I asked Etsy artist Mary Smith (aka marysmith) to choose today's Etsy Finds because I'd noticed her well-curated Treasuries and I just knew she'd find some wonderful stuff."
So... since I suck at making treasuries, I guess my Finds idea will never be used.
Closed Threads -
(love your CT blog, btw)
You should email Anda using "Closed Threads" as your name. I would truly crack up seeinge "Finds by Closed Threads" on the header of the Finds email one day.
haha, I should!
I should come up with an Etsy Finds of "People Who Post Most Frequently in Hot Forum Topics"
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"Items That Don't Belong on Etsy" but then I'd get told I shouldn't call out.
Especially if any of the sellers are Anda's favorites.
while i do understand the favorites game, i gotta say that i consider myself to be a successful seller on etsy and have NEVER been in a gift guide, on the front page, in an etsy find email, or any other cutesy etsy thing governed by admin.
i think the post on this is generally correct, but i just want to represent the sellers who often seem ignored by admin's flashy do-hickies and still think of themselves as successful.
i agree... i think i do pretty well on etsy, despite not being a "favorite" ... but i have been in quite a few treasuries over my two years there, and made the front page a couple time.
but, those, i attribute to other sellers... not etsy.
[i do great off etsy, too. i wish people weren't so scared to venture beyond the orange and gray.]
:P
closed threads said...
I should come up with an Etsy Finds of ....
"Items That Don't Belong on Etsy" ....
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Actually CL, if you did that you would be SURE to get your items featured in Etsy Finds. That seems to be their usual criteria...
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I have to agree with other folks comments that I am also "successful" on Etsy and have never been featured or favourited. I'm not in too many treasuries, never a "Find", and as another said, lurk more than post, and feel pretty much invisible on Etsy on the whole.
That said I do wholeheartedly agree that Etsy obviously plays favourites to a ridiculous, infuriating degree. I can say that my success is from my own bood, sweat and tears. Although, I have to wonder: if I were handing out blow jobs to admin, or shaking my pompoms in the forums 24/7, or still living in NY....Could I "quit my day job"?...And you know what? If I could, I would move all of my biz off Etsy and save myself the fees and hassle of A, B, C, D etc...
while i do understand the favorites game, i gotta say that i consider myself to be a successful seller on etsy and have NEVER been in a gift guide, on the front page, in an etsy find email, or any other cutesy etsy thing governed by admin.
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Ditto. In fact, today's my one year etsyversary and I do consider myself successful, and I've never been on the front page, in the etsy finds, I was in the gg once (but didn't get any sales from it), etc. I really believe you don't need all that "fluff" to be successful on etsy.
Oh my...favorites....I'm so glad you are talking about this. I look at the featured sellers page & see some of the most talented artists next to others who's medium is on par with glitter & macaroni. I could train a monkey to sell buttons with breasts on them...Etsy has (I'm convinced) two lists. People to shamelessly promote at every turn & people to never, ever in a million years promote. The vast majority on neither list are the ignored - a category I fall into. I've been really successful with both my stores, so favoritism is only infuriating because they should know better.
And yeah, where is that new COO??
I've sold 4,000 items and I'm not a friend of admin. I do make it to the front page from time to time, but I have no items in the gift guides, have been in the Etsy finds once, and that's about it.
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