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Friday, February 18, 2011
Mutings abound!
Posted by The Sneaky One at 11:12 AM
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Not muted, but saluting those who have been. What a mess.
I was permamuted, but I still sell there so am too paranoid to give my shop name.
Those people take business PERSONALLY! Too young and inexperienced to know any better, I guess.
(So grow the Fuck Up, Etsy Staff!)
I'm sure they'll look for something I've said now, but no, currently I am not muted. Of course, my not posting jack shit in the forums might have something to do with that.
However, I was fucking around on the internets (because there is a project that I am supposed to be working on and I am an A+ procrastinator) and I happened upon this thread:
http://www.etsy.com/teams/7714/ideas/discuss/6765637/page/7
What MJ said on page 7 is an opinion I happen to hold dear:
I am a CUSTOMER, I am NOT an employee.
Etsy is full of so many fuckwit employees that they regularly seem to fail to grasp this concept. The world is a big place, there are other venues. Ebay may be expensive, but the ebay staff has never jerked me around or acted like a bunch of idiots to me; likewise for Artfire or Zibbet or Big Cartel.
Etsy is just a venue, a poorly run hypocritical venue fraught with unqualified poorly performing employees (particularly in "merchandising"), favoritism, double standards, a lack of business ethics, and hypocrisy.
So, whatever the new dumb is, and I'm sure there is a new dumb, well, the smart rats are the ones who learn how to swim, not the ones who go down with the ship.
No one noticed the 40+ Admin posts about how Etsy plans to censor all forum posts 24/7 with much more vigilance than before?
Why, it's so much smaller and so much easier to lurk around and harass the very people they claim are the basis of their "forced" community-building.....see the sellers lining up to leave?
People who have been interested in Etsy know the score, and they ain't stickin' around either.
Not muted- yet. But I received my first ever in 5 years of having an Etsy account, waring last week.
They kept the forums 'open', but are discouraging people from participating.
Their whole forum plan was to get rid of public dissent and 'troublemakers'. It's about like some third world dictator arresting journalists and beating citizens. Don't like something Etsy has done? Shut up or they'll get rid of you.
You just might get a letter talking about 'respect' quoting some forum post you made last year. Respond to it and they'll get their tight little bicycle-screenprinted panties tied into a huge knot.
These Etsy children have always taken everything personally. The revolving dork-rokali-jared group were pretty bad about that. This new crew is even worse.
My analysis: Etsy is trying to go mainstream this year.
Get out of the way, folks. The sleazy con man in charge, the new investors, and the guy from Wal-Mart are counting their millions already. They aren't going to let little slugs like you, the customers, stand in their way. You're disposable.
The Funny One said...
People who have been interested in Etsy know the score, and they ain't stickin' around either.
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And it couldn't be happening to a nicer company, AFAIC. Rot in Hell, Etsy.
Pretty soon wood-tool and winnie will be the only two left and they can stroke each other's tools.
Etsy has little going for it these days. No standards, no ethics. No consistency. Muting when they want, ignoring the cupcakes.
Besides Artfire, Ebay, Bigcartel and Zibbet, there is Ecrater, Shoply (a very nice place) and Bonanza. Take your pic - they all will treat you better than Etsy.
Interesting. The Artfire newsletter arrived yesterday. It seems the "DIY Fashion" editor at about.com is holding a poll, and among the categories is "Best Online Handmade Marketplace." With 4,000-odd votes cast, it's Artfire 36%, Zibbet 31%, Etsy 30%. People might want to toddle on over and cast a vote: diyfashion.about.com.
Everyone looking for a new place to go, so were we, so wew built one. Still building growing and wanting more input. Come see AMDRM.COM just give us a try.
I was muted for 7 days after the "Sorry for the inconvenience" incident when Etsy decided it was okay to broadcast our personal names in the treasuries.
Back then I had two shops and they muted me from both of them.
They violate their own rules about sharing personal information publicly and I'm the one who gets in trouble for calling one of their baby admins a name.
What the fuck ever!
I just had a thought while in one of the offshoot Etsy forums. Maybe part of the rationales behind the mutings is to help coerce people into joining the precious, precious teams.
The findability thing/friend connect is going to be live SOON. Stumbled across a thread yesterday, and the OP mentioned some sort of friend connect thing popping up, but when clicked she got an Uh-Oh. Sean popped in to announce that something's being shifted --- real soon.
1. I will NOT join teams or circles to get sales. If I cannot sell my goods on Etsy by their own and my virtue, I just won't list there.
2. I don't like being treated like a child by people young enough to be my grandchildren.
3. Respect is a two-way street. Another concept they are too inexperienced to understand, along with the construct "privacy".
i've not been muted. i don't bother to participate in the forums. it's just a time suck for me and i'm too afraid i'll say something "wrong."
on the bright side, i've been working on my big cartel shop for a few months ago and hope to close my etsy shop by the end of the year. my repeat customers shop my bc shop and my advertising is bringing me new sales every other day or so.
i couldn't be happier and i can not WAIT to wash my hands of etsy.
I miss the people who were muted. Muting people and 'teams' were designed to kill the forums and now the forums are dead. Etsy is so BORING without the old forums. Now the forum posts/threads are hand picked by admin..just like the front page! yippee!
I miss the people who were muted. Muting people and 'teams' were designed to kill the forums and now the forums are dead. Etsy is so BORING without the old forums. Now the forum posts/threads are hand picked by admin..just like the front page! yippee!
I kept an anon signin I used for more controversial posts. About a week before they locsed the forum, I found that I could no longer access forums and one on my shops sign on was also muted. No ceremony, no warning just.....mute. I suppose it was because I was posting words like "totalitarian" and "dictatorship." Maybe I was using words most of the admin had to use a thesarus to find and needed to slow me down while they looked up the words only to discover they had torn out the pages of their thesauri to make lino-cut prints on them and decoupage their guitar cases with.
Been banned and muted a long time-since Coralgate-and am very proud of it. Still kept poking the bear through my buyers account, but finally just had enough and told them to close that, too. I'm not a big fan of censorship and at my age, won't kiss much ass. That place has gotten so bad, I was afraid I would log in one day and see admin avatars in SS uniforms with little Hitler moustaches.
I know that certain sellers liked to be in bed with some admins and kiss major ass so they get special abilties to say whatever they want and get away with it yet others are smacked around even when they don't break the don'ts.
I've been warned before for stuff I saw this cupcake do a million times and he was even a featured seller. LOL.
You know, if you stand back a bit and think on it, it's absolutely gobsmacking how unprofessional, childish, petulant and yes, EVIL the people who run Etsy are. I mean, I've been an ebay seller for 10 years, have run a bricks and mortar shop, have a BC shop, service a couple of shops in our city's historic district and I have never, ever run across anyone in 35+ years of being a selling jeweler that manifests such psychotic unprofessionalism as this Etsy bunch. For this to be the norm in a company so huge as Etsy is almost something you'd read in a sci-fi novel about world conquest. Like the earlier poster said, they're the perfect facists. I bet they're trying to find jackboots right now in the appropriate colors for this Spring.
Closed my shop - I stopped listing anyway because I didn't want to play the renewing game.
Don't want to do business with liars and hypocrites (yes Etsy admins lie like rugs)
On the About.com poll, Artfire and Zibbet are running neck and neck and Etsy has been left in the dust.
I was muted for a week because I asked a reseller, the OP of the thread, if his items were handmade by him. BWHahahahaha!
This bears repeating, "Etsy is just a venue, a poorly run hypocritical venue fraught with unqualified poorly performing employees (particularly in "merchandising"), favoritism, double standards, a lack of business ethics, and hypocrisy."
I asked for all my shops to be closed before the fall of the forums.
The shop I am most "known" for was closed within hours of my request. It took a melt down in the forums for them to closed up my jewelry shop and then months to close the remaining store, & then only after I went smartass in the forums.
I just learned they have muted my sisters shop, under the belief that she is me. I told her to stay out of the forums if she wanted to keep selling on Etsy, she didnt listen.
Etsy will go the way of Malt Liquor, My space, and pogs.
It does no good to try and save it- save yourself and open on the ground floor somewhere else. Not all the selling venues have Etsy's bells & whistles but Etsy didnt start out looking the way it does today.
Popularity isnt guaranteed for a lifetime, even Prom Queens get fat.
Never been in trouble on etsy, but I've never really felt welcome there, in general, which is never a good sign. I was reading this and I saw someone mention the awards. So gotta ask please vote for Zibbet they are newer and smaller but what they are doing and building is truly impressive and they seriously care about the sellers (as well as the buyers) there. I 1st discovered zibbet end of last april and stopped using my artfire and etsy shops end of July, and well the improvements, sheer effort and epic skills they bring as a venue are just unreal. They really go out of their way. They are smart too they make positive changes on the fly based on what's going on on the zibbet ning community (which is their official forums), zibbet mentions on Twitter, the zibbet facebook group a seller started. And they keep us updated on plans for the future. etc etc
2011 About.com Readers' Choice Awards DIY Fashion http://diyfashion.about.com/b/2011/02/11/2011-about-com-readers-choice-awards-diy-fashion-finalists-vote-now.htm
Best Online Handmade Marketplace
Artfire
(4186)
40%
Etsy
(1743)
16%
Folksy
(29)
0%
iCraft.ca
(21)
0%
Zibbet
(4348)
42%
Total Votes: 10327
results current at 4:10 pm CST Feb 23rd, 2011
Any support shown would be beautiful!
Many who read EB (and thankgoodness for Regretsy!) know the high-school-snark on Etsy is now 7 years tired, old, and increasingly nasty. What other mkplc site censors and bans its members with a barrage of alarming emails with language that is barely legal?
Circles and teams are the most recent and obvious extension of this high-school-clique-stranglehold that Admins seem to wallow in despite growing public opinion that something is rotting in Brooklyn from the inside out.
Perhaps Etsy took Walmart too seriously and now that they swept their aisles of real handmade, real quality, artisan integrity and fair pricing, they too will never be able to recoup their long-abandoned popularity based on a cleverly packaged myth that you too can quit your day job.
As long as you hang a $4.99 mass produced octypus on a cheap chain with a superglued mustache (imagine!) and call it "handmade". Formula indeed!
As long as you hang a $4.99 mass produced octypus on a cheap chain with a superglued mustache (imagine!) and call it "handmade". Formula indeed!
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Better yet when you take the same octopus and tell the folks you hand molded it and its "NeoVictorian retro edwardian nouveau Steampunk Cthulhu octopus sushi SILVER OVER brass necklace". Which says you think that people are even more ignorant than you are!
There's also a survey being done to select the best venue for selling collectibles, that's making its rounds. I had seen a thread in Bonanza about it. Etsy is also trailing over there, too.
I say, "let nature take it's course."
Public oppinion of Etsy is really beginning to pick up steam, and not in a good way.
There was a thread yesterday by a seller who had been rejected by numerous magazines concerning potential press releases because of Etsy's mediochre reputation.
Between the mutings and sanitised forums, people are beginning to realise that they are doing just fine NOT being on Etsy 24/7. Look at the time all of this frees up to use for other venues, creating your own site and rediscovering that there is LIFE outside of a computer screen.
My one concern is that Accel might do a repeat, as far as getting THEIR money back. Facebook got a HUGE cash infusion via a Goldman Sachs maneuver that was PRIVATE OFF SHORE INVESTOR'S money. A relationship has been established by Breyer, and makes me leery that this could be used for Etsy.
I'm one of the newly perma-mutes. I don't even mind because my aggravation level has dropped dramatically. I still sell there, but have all sorts of free time now to put into other pursuits.
I also have NEVER experianced such a poorly run company. They have to ultimately fail; they piss off way too many people.
There's also a survey being done to select the best venue for selling collectibles, that's making its rounds. I had seen a thread in Bonanza about it. Etsy is also trailing over there, too.
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"Collectibles" used to mean something from another generation that was interesting enough to collect en masse. Now it means some crap made of plastic from Franklin Mint or something. Etsy is full of crap that isn't even good enough to get rid of at a yard sale.
Free the muted!
http://www.etsy.com/treasury/4d6ae4a7514c8eef1b88831b/listen-and-silent-are-spelled-using-the?index=0
Muted for a week for my Pink Floyd Goodbye Cruel Etsy goodbye post from almost a month ago.
Obviously they didn't notice I rarely post and my shop is EMPTY! FU Etsy.
www.etsy.com/teams/7714/ideas/discuss/6792760/page/1/?post_id=59645308
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