Monday, June 23, 2008

Stop the hatin'!

One thing that really gets my panties in a twist are people who feel it's necessary to bash other Etsy sellers, or buyers, here on our blog. Now this is just me talking about one of my pet peeves, but it is our policy on this blog that we focus on Etsy the business and the people who run it. If you need a refresher, read our mission statement on the sidebar!

Now, for all of you who can not turn off your Etsy forum habits - KNOCK IT THE FUCK OFF!

We do not and will not tolerate the Etsian versus Etsian carnage that is so frequent among its members elsewhere. If we are so busy hounding each other's merchandise, business practices, or opinions, we won't have the time or energy to fight for what we deserve as customers of Etsy. This should be our focus! Not tearing each other apart.

It doesn't matter what your craft or art is, if you're a vintage or supplies seller, or if you are or aren't a pain in the ass know-it-all with a vendetta. We are Etsy's customers and have a common goal. To put the site back on track. The community they've built has resulted in the need to say such things, but that is beyond our abilities to repair, not without each and every one of us stepping aside and saying 'ya know what, there are bigger fish to fry!'

So take off your boxing gloves, turn the other cheek, and stop insulting each other. Get off your high and mighty soap boxes and turn the energy towards Etsy and your business.

There are other outlets for you to let out your angst about your experiences with other people, but this is not one of them. This blog is about Etsy - the business and the management.

We know people rub you the wrong way. We understand the frustration with some people. Believe me, we all have those we steer clear from. But if you're going to say Etsy shouldn't have public favorites or a blacklist then neither should we or you.

If you agree with us, great. If you don't, then whatever. You piss us off, we don't care which category you fit in above, we'll tell you to fuck off. We're bitches like that. Get over it!

*btw, this is my opinion.

71 Comments:

Elizabeth said...

Tough to close Pandora's box.

TheSneakyOne said...

People need to learn to attack the issues and not the people.

So, yes, please keep it at the issues at hand and not on the OP, or other members who irk you.

idyll hands said...

*applauds*

godot said...

I must agree with Elizabeth. You let AA dangle in the wind for over 95 posts just a few minutes ago.It reminded me of, um etsy-like behavior. It's your sand box, you've made that perfectly clear, and you are ready to jump as soon as someone disagrees with you. I find most of your posts right on the money, but I don't think anything in this blog is intended to constructively change etsy. You're pissed, so are a lot of us, and you just want people to publicly know that.

TheSneakyOne said...

godot, so?

The Malevolent One said...

Right on, Righteous.

Just to make things perfectly clear, we're perfectly fine with it if you disagree with us about an issue. It doesn't hurt our feelings and we don't take it personally. We want you to see our point (otherwise, why would be bother posting it?) and we'll try to see yours. We might argue with you about it, but don't take that to mean we demand you agree with us. What we want is for people to recognize that we're not going to allow this place to be a seller-trashing free-for-all.

yeah you right said...

i liked this blog until the attacks became personal in the comments section.then it was just the same ole same ole bitchin.when you single out a few- no matter how irritating they truly are- you sacrifice your own self respect.
trust us, we are all irritated by the same people. once you lose your cool, you look bad 7 lose your argument
focus on the issues and you are golden bitches

The Righteous One said...

godot, actually we tried to get it back on track...numerous times. But the ijits wouldn't quit.

The Malevolent One said...

godot - Excuse us all to fuck for not sitting in front of the computer screen for 95 minutes constantly refreshing. It seemed to me that Amy was perfectly capable of defending herself. I didn't see you jumping to defend her. But perhaps you'd like to apply for the position of EtsyBitch Hall Monitor?

But seriously now, would you prefer that Righteous didn't make this post and we let people go on bashing each other?

The Kinky One said...

Godot,

You need to re-read those posts. We didn't let AA dangle in the wind for 95 posts. We tried to stop that trainwreck almost from the begining more than once. It went on for so long because we didn't lock comments.

George said...

There's certainly a lot of bad energy floating around in the forums right now, and some of it drifted over here. Thanks for putting the brakes on it.

There are a lot of frustrated people out there, targeting anyone in reach. I agree, the focus should be on Etsy.

The Incredulous One said...

Thanks, Righteous.

There are plenty of people who show up in the forums who regularly piss me off, but I can bitch about that forever and their behavior's not likely to change.

I saw a few of the Bitches try to redirect the comments on that post, and people kept right on bashing. It's tedious and it isn't useful.

dis little piggy said...

You feature a quote from someone who doesn't even post here (I'm assuming) and call her an alien and you really expect better from your readers?

Isn't that just a tad hypocritical?

impetuous said...

This is all fine and good but you did start this blog out in a different vein... remember calling Andy a fag basket? Remember your, "cheerleaders prepare for a blah blah" whatever it used to say over the comment box?

I can appreciate a change of policy but lets not make this out to be everyone else's fault and nothing to do with Etsy Bitch.

I hope you are not fooling yourself when you reference a post in the Etsy forums. Chances are you are going to have a few people come to call. Chances are they all won't be riding unicorns and trailing rainbows behind them...right?

I think a little more research and objective reporting would help redirect things.

There is also a compass on my helmet you are welcome to look at. I can't see it when it's on, so lead the way.

dis little piggy said...

Or how about this post? It has nothing to do with Etsy as a whole. it was a poke at one person.

http://etsybitch.blogspot.com/2008/06/quotable-quotes-throwing-down-gauntlet.html

You were openly encouraging ridicule of BeaG. Why is that okay? Is it because she's on your personal shit list but AA isn't?

adam selene said...

Thesneakyone said: "People need to learn to attack the issues and not the people."

The Malevolent One said:
"...we're perfectly fine with it if you disagree with us about an issue. It doesn't hurt our feelings and we don't take it personally. We want you to see our point (otherwise, why would be bother posting it?) and we'll try to see yours. We might argue with you about it, but don't take that to mean we demand you agree with us."

Yeah, right. Belittling someone and being sarcastic to them isn't what most people consider "arguing with them". It certainly feels like an attack on the person and not on the issue. A real pleasant surprise for a reader who kind of enjoyed this blog until they were undeservedly bitchslapped.

The Malevolent One said...

Dis little piggy, if you were reading a quote as an invitation to attack someone, you were reading it wrong. It's entirely possible to lambast or refute a statement without dragging the person who made it through the mud. Just like it's possible to debate an issue without attacking the person who brought it up on a personal level.

I didn't see those comments until that conversation was over and done with. Otherwise I would have told y'all to knock it off.

We were lax before. Guess we shouldn't have been. But everyone bears responsiblity for their own comments. This isn't etsysellerswhosuck and we didn't invite you to act like it is. We know everyone vents occasionally - we're all human and we understand that. We don't intend to moderate every little bit of criticism. We don't want to moderate anything at all. We want you guys to use your judgement and intelligence to discuss the issues. Be bitchy, be snarky and sarcastic and all that good shit. Just keep in mind what's written in the side bar. We wanna move forwards on this, not backwards. Got it?

el-stinko-armpit said...

Whatever the original intentions (if they had any) for the development of Etsy into a venue for handmade sellers, the site now functions mostly as social networking. I mean, click over to the Closed Threads blog to see what I mean. Last week I saw a thread in etc. about 'who would make the best couple on Etsy'. barf. Maybe you bitches are right, and Etsy can be fixed by calling attention to the admin's business shortcomings with restrainted and intelligent wit. Or maybe Etsy has already jumped the shark and landed permanemtly stuck in a juniorhigh lunchroom. I dunno.

TheSneakyOne said...

fucking blogger.. Just ate 2 of my posts.. Very well written ones too..

Ditto what malevolent said.

Kali said...

Sheesh. The name of the blog is "Etsy Bitches" not "Perfect People Who Never Make Mistakes".

The Bitches did try to keep the posts on target - let's not ignore that in order to make a particular point.

Now they are trying to keep the focus where it should be. After all, Pandora's box wasn't totally empty at the end.

Let's not also forget that the Bitches are a collective, not just one person, and unless they're all living in a little hand-built commune somewhere, they are not in constant contact with each other.

As time progresses, the focus of the blog will shift and settle into the groove it's meant to be in. Everything goes through that - look at the first season of Star Trek: The Next Generation, what a trainwreck of horrid acting that was!

And godot, I will disagree with you when you say that you "...don't think anything in this blog is intended to constructively change etsy". Every little fuckup of Etsycorp's deserves to be documented, if only to eventually show the investors that certain higher-ups need to be removed. (Like, everyone but Matt.)

Not just Etsycorp is watching.

The Righteous One said...

"I think a little more research and objective reporting would help redirect things."

Nah, you all have UEN for that. We're here to bitch.

And pointing out a thread or statement indicative of something on Etsy is not an intent to attack someone. We try very hard to not say 'hey so and so sucks'.

We didn't mean to catch anyone in the net who didn't deserve it, but the outright attacks on Etsy users have got to stop! It's not black and white, there's a lot of grey area when it comes to snark.

We refer to cheerleaders as a statement of the mentality, but we don't refer to the individual people. It's a fine line, and we might accidentally cross it at times, but pulling back and stopping the nonsense is the adult thing to do.

BTW, it's our blog so when we say enough is enough you quit! We shouldn't even have to explain ourselves. You're in our house, asshats.

The Righteous One said...

Thank you, kali!

Oh and I meant asshats in the most loving of ways. :p

MajorFuckingEtsyBurnout said...

It's definitely pandora's box when it's a topic we are all passionate about and TRUST ME, I have a laundry list of sellers I would love to see eaten by wolves but, snarkily pointing out threads filled with posts relating to blind Etsy support or general asshattery that are eventually closed by Admin (usually for some reason unbeknownst to those with a lick of common sense) IS a lil bit different than naming one specific seller and calling her a self-serving asshole, etc. etc. for posting about a business topic simply b/c you hate her posts in general.

United we stand, divided we fall. We are all entitled to our opinions. I think we can all reserve the right to be a bitch or sarcastic at certain posts/comments, while not making them specific personal attacks against other sellers/their shops/their forum posting habits/ their merch....hmmm, does that make me an EB cheerleader? Do I at least get to wear fishnets and brass knuckles?

CP said...

Trainwreck in progress
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5679985

dis little piggy said...

Cut the crap. There was no reason to quote BeaG in that post except to poke at BeaG and we both know it.

"I didn't see those comments until that conversation was over and done with. Otherwise I would have told y'all to knock it off."

The "snarky comments" went on for seven days. You really expect people to believe you didn't read them in progress?

Please.

TheSneakyOne said...

No, piggy, you read into it like that.

Our issue was that Etsy hasn't put a muzzle on her yet. Yes, she's an asshat, but that's only because Etsy lets her be one.

Ladies Auxilliary said...

Very interesting...the Bitches get critiqued for NOT locking a thread ;)

And for trying to set guidelines for the future.

I think there's some gratuitous bitching going on.

I agree however, that ordinary sarcasm rings louder on the page (sans body language and visual cues) than from the mouth.

impetuous said...

The intent of my bitching is clearly displayed on my blog:

http://indienightmares.blogspot.com/2008/06/whats-bad-for-you-sucks-for-me-too.html

We should all feel free to change policy when it suits us. Looking forward to another article. Not so crazy about the preaching.

dis little piggy said...

You allowed people to do the very same thing you're whining about in this post and you allowed it for seven days. THAT was my point.

Two bitches even posted in tat comments section and said nothing about it being off track. Nor did they bother to clarify the intention of the post. (Not that I buy that crock, mind you.)

Frankly, I think someone is just embarrassed that AA had the balls to come here and confront the situation openly. I still believe she lied when she said she didn't care but I admire her chutzpah for showing up and I can see why it might make you think twice.

I still think BeaG is a pompous twit but I can say that because I'm not pretending that my shit don't stink.

dis little piggy said...

"Very interesting...the Bitches get critiqued for NOT locking a thread ;)"

I know you were not directing solely at me but I want to clarify that I am not critiquing anyone for not locking a thread. I don't think threads should be locked. Prescreening comments, perhaps, blocking loudmouths like me who dare to disagree, perhaps, but locking threads is for sissies and weakling Etsy admins.

I'm critiquing them for being hypocrites.

It's the "do as I say, not as I do or do as I say, not as I did but now deny" school of thought and I think it's crap.

TheSneakyOne said...

Then that's your thought, and you're entitled to it. I do wonder though, if you're that offended, why are you here? I mean, you don't pay us anything, so we owe you nothing.

Have a wonderful night!

xoxox The Sneaky One

dis little piggy said...

"I do wonder though, if you're that offended, why are you here?"

Hmmm, where have I heard THAT before? Oh wait, I know, I know!

"If you don't like Etsy, why are you still there?"

"If you're that unhappy with Etsy, why not just leave?"

"If you have nothing nice to say about Etsy, why not just shut up?"

LMAO! That was funny.

TheSneakyOne said...

Glad to make you chuckle.

Love,

TheSneakyOne

The Righteous One said...

now dis little piggy is getting it!

maybe what we need to do is better define when we're mimicking Etsy and when we're expressing our actual opinions.

Though sometimes that's a non-existent line.

We'll get back to you on that one. For now, just hate us.

Ladies Auxilliary said...

Nope, no specific targets intended.

I guess I just think there's a difference between taking something out of context (a quote for example) to make a critical (if sarcastic) point--and naming names. Again, I'm not on the attack at anyone just, as they say, disagreeing.

godot said...

If you know anything about business, no investor is going to read this blog if you don't get your shit together. This could be fabulous bitches, why do you keep contridicting yourselves?

Focus on the bigger picture. We really are behind you, now use your platform wisely.

impetuous said...

all we need now is someone munching on popcorn...

nom, nom, nom

dis little piggy said...

Why on earth would I hate you? That's silly.

I'm sorry I missed the mocking of Marymary. Forgive me for that. She annoys the heck out of me but I don't have her every posting nuance memorized.

But doesn't that mocking once again prove my point? Don't expect better behavior from others than that which you are displaying yourselves.

The Malevolent One said...

Piggy, maybe you're such a loser that you have the time to sit there and catalogue every comment made on this site but I don't and neither do the rest of the Bitches and that's why there's ten of us. I didn't follow that thread and I'll thank you to not call me a liar.

Quite frankly, I think it's great Amy showed up and defended herself. Anyone is welcome to do that. It's sad though that you are so unobservant you didn't notice we tried to redirect the thread long before she showed up.

We haven't denied shit. I said we were lax. However, we tried to get you all to focus on Etsy long before the comments about BeaG, back in the thread where people were ragging on Regal and CD. You didn't pay attention. Now you're paying attention and whining and snivelling because you can't say anything you want. Did you seriously think that nothing would ever, ever change here? Even Etsy makes some progress. If you can't stand this change, go start your own damn blog and stop being such a miserable little pissant here.

The Malevolent One said...

I suppose we should have notified you all of the change in advance. Sent out a mass email that doesn't actually get through to everybody, or bury the information in a fluff article about cookies.

dis little piggy said...
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TheSneakyOne said...

piggy, take a break. Back off. Pushing to get a negative reaction is pretty shitty. Seriously.

I don't delete comments just for the hell of it, but if you keep on pushing, I will.

If you have that huge of an issue with us, use the e-mail address to the right.

TheSneakyOne said...

.. and I guess one of my counterparts went ahead and did it. I guess they got tired of your shit too.

didn't take you long said...
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dis little piggy (still) said...
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TheSneakyOne said...

No, we pulled the post because you continue to act like a shithead. You can still post, as long as its civil and not pushing for a negative reaction.

You're not muted and even you said that it was reasonable as owners of the blog to moderate your comments.

Like I said before, have an issue? Take it to e-mail.

forum rubbernecker said...

Our issue was that Etsy hasn't put a muzzle on her yet. Yes, she's an asshat, but that's only because Etsy lets her be one.
______________
Has no one realized that a large portion of Etsy's incompetence is due to favoritism? How do you think Admin got to Admins? Yep, they were favorites first, now they are incompetent Admins. For as large as Etsy is, it would be really nice if there were more Admins, who were um, over 20, with a college degree who could communicate effectively in writing and not just visualize being a cupcake. Thank you, that's all.

yeah you right said...

if the premise is to mute people for less than respectful behavior,then there is a long list of folks who have called out, attacked, defamed and slandered but were never punished as severely as others- that is the issue. some of those sellers mentioned came up as folks who are examples. any one who spent 2.5 minutes on the forum in the summer of 2007 could write a laundry list. thankfully some people have self muted upon the realization that others despised their most favored seller status. some havent gotten that far but they will eventually

Peldyn said...

LOL, self-muted. I don't believe that. But that is neither here nor there. I agree that the target is etsy itself and sometimes we need to calm the shit down or this will turn in to that thing we hate, the etsy forums!

Andy Mathis said...

Someone just feel free to explain this comment.

impetuous said...

This is all fine and good but you did start this blog out in a different vein... remember calling Andy a fag basket? Remember your, "cheerleaders prepare for a blah blah" whatever it used to say over the comment box?

impetuous said...

In the bullying post.....please tell me I did not misread this somehow.........................!


...........

Andy Mathis said...
I'm like Dr. Phil- a Skep-tick.

I think Admin is doing the best they can, on this one incidence, or said incidence. Obviously not to the satisfaction of the original post.

I witnessed a few forum tantrums- pot meet kettle, kettle, pot.
June 5, 2008 3:29 PM

The Angsty One said...
GMAFB.


I read that as "Grab My Ass, Fag Basket.
June 5, 2008 3:57 PM

Kali said...

Uh...that's a new one, because I've always known that as "give me a fucking break".

Maybe I'm just using the Old Internet School Dictionary of Acronyms, though. (Ju57 b3 h4ppy 1 d0n'7 7yp3 |1k3 7h15 4nym0r3, kthxbai.)

Andy Mathis said...

hmmmm-

interesting. I'll look for the thread tomorrow.

thanks Impetuous. I somehow missed that earlier.

The Malevolent One said...

I think the Angsty One will have to explain what exactly that DOES mean, but I would bet my house it's not a slam against Andy. I don't even think that's in response to Andy's post. We think Andy is awesome. We've got his ad here. He's the Bitches' favourite bastard.

BTW, Andy, your latest forum av cracks me the hell up.

The Malevolent One said...

Reading through the preceding comments, I'm pretty damn sure that the GMAFB was in response to some of the anonymous posters. It just happened to come after Andy's post.

TheSneakyOne said...

The GMAFB was directed at me and a comment I made. It was not directed at Andy.

impetuous said...

*gulp*

Andy Mathis said...

lol, okay, okay-

I thought I had read most of the comments on the site. My favorite possible meaning out of 10 others so far has been-

Give My Aunt Fanny Back

nite all.

The Malevolent One said...

Here we are - it was in response to this post, further up the thread:

TheSneakyOne said...
Oh, so its the person's fault for talking? It's okay to harass and stalk anyone if they open their mouths? That's almost akin to saying that a rape victim shouldn't have work that short skirt.

GMAFB.

el-stinko-armpit said...

I had never heard of the expression 'fag basket' before. So, I looked it up and it refers to exactly what I would have guessed: a basket of logs, like for a fireplace. Not American english heh. Maybe we need little flag icons we can tick off when we post so we won't be misunderstood? And I am joking, people.

impetuous said...

..............I am so sorry andy...........

*slowly puts on helmet and sits in the corner*

The Kinky One said...

**offers Impetuous a slice of my birthday cake**

It's all good hon, I've been known to fuck up from time to time.

**offers slices of birthday cake to everyone**

impetuous said...

*straightens helmet and dries tears, hoping andy can forgive her*

happy birthday kinky one

The Kinky One said...

ty Impetuous :)

The Angsty One said...

impetuous said...

This is all fine and good but you did start this blog out in a different vein... remember calling Andy a fag basket? Remember your, "cheerleaders prepare for a blah blah" whatever it used to say over the comment box?

__

Are you kidding me with this? I take a much needed vacation, and my lovely hydra family tells me that I need to respond to this? It was a goddamn joke. Not a slam towards anyone. I don't know Andy Mathis personally, so therefore, I could not call him a fag basket. I constantly make fun of the stupid internet abbreviations, especially if I don't grasp it on the first try. Admittedly, it took my a couple minutes to figure out GMAFB.

Now...

STFU & GBTW :D <--(Plz note use of smiley face, it is intended to show that this comment was also meant as a joke.)

Donttazemebro said...
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TheSneakyOne said...

Like I said earlier, be civil or shut your fucking mouth.

If you have an issue, take it to e-mail.

impetuous said...

I know, I know.

*puts on helmet and faces corner again*






still kinda wondering why the attack on BeaG was ok but the attack on Always Amy was not.....but willing to live with the mystery.....

what a hack said...

Are all of you the same person? How can you all post within minutes of each other?! That would explain why all of you sound like the same angst-ridden 18 year old.

Donttazemebro said...

Like I said earlier, be civil or shut your fucking mouth.

If you have an issue, take it to e-mail.
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Saying that you censor my posts because I disagree with you is not being civil? oh wow

TheSneakyOne said...

Closing comments to this thread.

Hack, we actually communicate, unlike Etsy.

Zembro, this isn't a democracy. You can't act civilly, we don't have to put up with you. Again, if you have an issue, take it to e-mail. Its in the right sidebar.