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One of the beadmakers whose beads were involved in the scandal of Etsy staff editing sold listings has put up screen shots on her home page for all to see.
Let's call this what it is. Complicity. Look it up.
(Thanks to her for putting it in a comment for us to present here since most of the other screenshots were unlinkable being private or on member only boards.)
Friday, June 13, 2008
Proof of Etsy Editing Post-Sale
Posted by The Cranky One at 1:23 PM
Tagged: editing, scandal, sold pages
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I'm just glad someone got evidence that the fraud WAS indeed going around claiming she made the beads herself...even if etsy tried to erase all the evidence.
This is getting out on several sites now, not just the private forums. I wonder when the top etsy people will make a statement...hopefully BEFORE the lawsuits come.
OH NO THEY DIDN'T! WTF? Thanks for showing that to us. I really hope that the victims continue to poke Etsy Admin with sharp pointy sticks. I wonder what Admin genius thought this one up. I hear the sound of a judge's gavel.....
okay, i'm not sure what happened. i missed this whole scandal. the linked screenshots are from a seller that sold someone else's beads claiming they were her own? and the true maker took screenshots of the edited sold listing?
I estimate Etsy has made anywhere from 6 to 10 thousand dollars on this shop.
If they were the company they claim to be they would close it on principle instead of leaving it open for profit.
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5664521&page=1
I don't even know what is happening here anymore.
Someone started a blog to counter this one lol. I think you all must be famous or something :) They're rather harsh though. And I tried to post a comment about how they're just bitching too, but they moderate all comments. Seems a little sketchy to me.
"I estimate Etsy has made anywhere from 6 to 10 thousand dollars on this shop."
They'll be spending a hell of a lot more than that on legal fees if things proceed as they should.
I still think she's boinking somebody.
that other blog is a piece of shit- if you're gonna do something, do it right. Make it look half-way decent, and stop writing novels. I couldn't even follow the drama, it looks like trash (and I'm sure that matches the content, but still...).
Abuse@etsy.com, Emily Bidwell to be exact, edited my active listings when a high volume seller bitched and moaned in fear about her fradulent shop possibly being outed after seeing my shop where my listings listed specific product knowledge regarding my handmade goods. Nothing rude, nothing that would have "called out" anyone, just informative and there for a buyers piece of mind. Anywho, originally I was told I had to remove the info and when I refused and stuck out my copyright, my listings were removed and I was told to "get a lawyer" if I wanted to pursue a further complaint and be allowed to continue to use the content. Oh, and my point on this is that my sold items were edited too, by Emily.
Etsy favored the seller who was reselling your beads and told YOU to get a lawyer if you didn't like it? am I hearing that correctly?
who is surprised by this?
over a year ago I caught someone (?) covering for a mass production retailer from the pacific rim. their Etsy shop claimed that their clothing was designed and hand made in their studio from vintage fabric (yeah sure, if vintage means 20 weeks - 20 months old). I copied and pasted a bunch of their stock phrases from their Etsy profile and listings into Google search -- and bingo bango -- eventually up came cached pages for a now closed Ebay store with the same photos, item blurbs and listings, with additional info that left no doubt they were a factory rep. I had found them at first on the Etsy front page. Back they were a few weeks later. but when I went back to get screen captures so I could flag their faking ass (so naive!) the google cached pages had been removed, their etsy shop profile had been re-written to remove the standard quasi-english vintage and/or handmade deceptive phrasing.
cannot prove it, but am damn sure Etsy admin got those pages off of google and 'helped' this shop re-write what was in their shop.
Etsy is a gang of fakes, trying to take advantage of trusting needy artists and artisans. Shame shame shame on etsy!
moral of the story -- always capture the evidence whenever you find it. so someone can hold etsy's collective feet to the fire of public scrutiny.
here is the listing on April 30, right before it sold from google's cache
impetuous said...
Etsy favored the seller who was reselling your beads and told YOU to get a lawyer if you didn't like it? am I hearing that correctly?
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No ma'am, it was not a reseller, but another shop with like carbon copy items, not beads.
I can't believe it. someone has checked in here to tell us she was copied.
I give up.
"who is surprised by this?"
UM, I am.
why the fuck aren't you?
Wow. Just wow.
yo, impetuous -- I am not surprised because I've experienced selling on various online mall sites beginning in 2002. no matter the good and lofty intentions and planning at start-up, success/growth does seem to breed corruption among owners/mgmt; cliqueishness, cheerleading and sucking-up among sellers; and uneven enforcement of the site's TOS or TOU.
not being surprised does not mean that I am not very very sorry this is happening at etsy. no seller (a customer of the site deserving respect) would expect this kind of (mis)treatment.
I wish I could expect that a change of staff, or ownership, or ??? might reverse the trend downward. but in my experience, this has never happened with a sales community venue which achieves the kind of rapid growth Etsy has. I would love to be surprised by Etsy being the first to regain its footing with regard to ethical business conduct toward all of its sellers, pull up its socks and get on with it.
wow. your mall experience is impressive.
Unofficial Etsy News has a post today on this (with information from A Bead is Born, not from whoever "onepissedbitch" is!):
http://etsynews.com/
Impetuous, I was not saying I was copied, I was pointing out that my listings were changed post sale by Etsy and I was told, regardless of holding copyright, of what content I would be able to use in my listings because someone with high sales and an older account history cried boo hoo, oh Etsy admin, please dont let another seller with simular items be able to sell here.
But they don't play favorites, OPB! *sigh*
Ullja's most current boast is that Etsy has closed all the claims of copyright infringement against her, going so far to name each person and show the beads made by them, link to the sold listings on Etsy and again assert she made them herself.
Whaddup with that, Etsy? Is it true you've found her "not guilty"? Will her shop come back now?
You can see for yourself what Ullja the fraud has claimed:
http://ulljas.blogspot.com/2008/06/infringement-and-copyright-case-of_2107.html
http://ulljas.blogspot.com/2008/06/infringement-and-copyright-case-of_5239.html
http://ulljas.blogspot.com/2008/06/infringement-and-copyright-case-of_26.html
http://ulljas.blogspot.com/2008/06/infringement-and-copyright-case-of.html
Maybe Etsy would be interested to know she's discussing things publicly that she isn't supposed to? Or maybe they closed the cases because they closed her down? Hopefully that's the case.
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