tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post8848943174543779276..comments2023-05-31T07:37:38.948-04:00Comments on Etsy Bitch: Maria Talking Shi err ShopThe Cranky Onehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08492132798002763761noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-43982707068633257772009-03-17T17:16:00.000-04:002009-03-17T17:16:00.000-04:00Kelly said: They have no right to create trends b...Kelly said: They have no right to create trends because they are a sales venue, not a specialty site and not a store. If they want to become that, they need to brand themselves as that and jury the site so that they only sell what they like. They will never do that because they are getting rich off of all those listings and relistings. They have people promoting themselves and the site in the process for free so they have no reason to do much advertising on their own out of pocket. <BR/>****<BR/><BR/>This! This! I have not read those articles yet, and this post and thread (thanks, guys) have been very enlightening (and enraging) for me.<BR/><BR/>If they are going to become a juried, "boutique" type site, they need to just come out and say it, so that those of us who will inevitably not fit into their little box can avoid wasting any more of our time or money and just move on.<BR/><BR/>Wow, I'm pissed!<BR/><BR/>Jen M.<BR/>JenniferLynn Productions, LLCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-78395352259224672362009-03-13T01:17:00.000-04:002009-03-13T01:17:00.000-04:00Eclipse, thanks for the stats. Interesting! I'm su...Eclipse, thanks for the stats. Interesting! I'm surprised! Now I'm thinking again......is it more likely that sellers are more likely to be repeat buyers and many buyers only sign up to make a one time purchase? And if this is the case wonder if it could still be possible that more purchases are made by sellers than buyers only.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-39934285864111043102009-03-11T19:28:00.000-04:002009-03-11T19:28:00.000-04:00There are something like 1.5 million registered us...There are something like 1.5 million registered users total, probably more by now.<BR/>And 357615 of those are sellers. About half of which have empty shops, but they still count as "seller" accounts if they have verified a credit card.<BR/><BR/>So about 4/5 of all registered users are buyer-only accounts.<BR/>This only describes the two account <I>types</I>, it doesn't mean the buyers have bought anything or the sellers have sold anything.eclipsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17182315716049100221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-63485957058228359972009-03-10T23:06:00.000-04:002009-03-10T23:06:00.000-04:00" forum rubbernecker said..."But the customers do!..." forum rubbernecker said...<BR/><BR/>"But the customers do! And that's where they see stuff and if your stuff is there they will buy it. And if it's there every day, they will buy it every day."<BR/><BR/>I completely understand that. Doesn't change my surprise that so many Etsy REGULARS spend so much time going through the front page. My time is precious and going to the front page is a waste of my time. <BR/><BR/>Speaking of "customers" are there any statistics on how many customers are strictly buyers. I would be willing to bet the number is a lot smaller than most people think. I would bet that most buyers are also sellers. But maybe I'm wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-74302317621509084542009-03-10T14:04:00.000-04:002009-03-10T14:04:00.000-04:00I NEVER go to the front page. I am stunned that so...I NEVER go to the front page. I am stunned that so many regular Etsy users do.<BR/>__________<BR/>But the customers do! And that's where they see stuff and if your stuff is there they will buy it. And if it's there every day, they will buy it every day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-82874257802129349992009-03-09T15:05:00.000-04:002009-03-09T15:05:00.000-04:00Honestly, I never even look at the front page. My ...Honestly, I never even look at the front page. My Etsy link goes straight to my store which I don't sell in anymore and then I navigate to anything else I want from there. I NEVER go to the front page. I am stunned that so many regular Etsy users do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-50424602294506418062009-03-07T23:17:00.000-05:002009-03-07T23:17:00.000-05:00RRobin, I"m seeing it with the shop name in there....RRobin, I"m seeing it with the shop name in there.<BR/><BR/>But I did notice little verticle gray lines between my item listing, views, price and listing date. It may have been there all along, but I'm just noticing it now. It doesn't really do anything.<BR/><BR/>I guess I'm trying to see if they've tried to sneak anything new in when we weren't looking.WindysDesignshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11763465841442652702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-12058186528831624232009-03-07T19:25:00.000-05:002009-03-07T19:25:00.000-05:00WindysDesigns said... "Speaking of rule changing a...WindysDesigns said... <BR/>"Speaking of rule changing and the masses not knowing about these changes, there was a thread today that someone started about someone's treasury that the curator's item made it to the FP.....because it was from her other shop.<BR/><BR/>Now, we pretty much all know that whether people like it or not, it is allowed to put in one item of your own if it matches the theme, but it may be removed if it's chosen for the FP."<BR/>----------------------------<BR/>I was the one who started that thread, which was ultimately shut down by Admin (Stella I think). And it wasn't meant to be a "calling out" so to speak of the seller in question, but rather a "Hey look! Admin screwed up!" I couldn't care less if sellers put their own items in treasuries. But it's supposed to be removed from the FP treasury. <BR/><BR/>Oddly, the FP changed within minutes of my post. I don't remember the seller's username but the second shop name had the same beginning as the curator's name and it caught my eye. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, it just proves Admin doesn't pay very close attention to the FP treasuries, other than having a content of "hip" items with washed out color schemes. *yawn*.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-51887929268131448742009-03-07T17:18:00.000-05:002009-03-07T17:18:00.000-05:00Thanks, Righteous One. I see it is only the case w...Thanks, Righteous One. I see it is only the case with "sold" items being unattributed except to Etsy .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-16022436397233495682009-03-07T11:10:00.000-05:002009-03-07T11:10:00.000-05:00Robin, I'm still seeing shop names in Firefox and ...Robin, I'm still seeing shop names in Firefox and IE for my own shop and others', both when I'm logged in and not.<BR/><BR/>Are you perhaps using a different browser so I can't see what you see? Have you downloaded any scripts that may interfere? <BR/><BR/>Has anyone else seen this and think it's a glitch for some pages?The Righteous Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08282022935228225565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-67760072670280971532009-03-07T00:41:00.000-05:002009-03-07T00:41:00.000-05:00Is this new or am I imagining things?If I call up ...Is this new or am I imagining things?<BR/>If I call up an item in my shop, say, on Etsy, the top of the page above the URL now reads, for example, <BR/>"Etsy::yet another assembled pine cone charm on a chain necklace" <BR/>where I believe it used to read, for example, <BR/>"Etsy::shopname::yet another assembled pine cone charm on a chain necklace". <BR/>That is, the shop name -- yours, mine, etc.-- is now gone and Etsy is getting all the credit.<BR/>Is this part of the "branding" they've been talking about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-50091231856205702412009-03-07T00:05:00.000-05:002009-03-07T00:05:00.000-05:00Speaking of rule changing and the masses not knowi...Speaking of rule changing and the masses not knowing about these changes, there was a thread today that someone started about someone's treasury that the curator's item made it to the FP.....because it was from her other shop.<BR/><BR/>Now, we pretty much all know that whether people like it or not, it is allowed to put in one item of your own if it matches the theme, but it may be removed if it's chosen for the FP.<BR/><BR/>Eclipse dug up an old thread from November, I think, where MaryMary says that the item must be from your curating shop, not any others.<BR/><BR/>That little tidbit was never put in the rules, so how would anyone who hadn't caught that particular thread know they were breaking the rules? And is it a rule if it's not posted in the rules section? Stella said something about including it in the next update, whenever that is.<BR/><BR/>And frankly, I thought the wording was 'user' not 'shop', that a user could have one of their items in each of the treasury and treasury west.<BR/><BR/>As for Maria and her speech, I really couldn't care less. I just do my own thing and generally don't rely on Etsy for any extras. Im just so tired of all the drama. I stopped believing in the dream a long time ago, so now I just do what makes me happy.WindysDesignshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11763465841442652702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-40199587186094035202009-03-06T22:41:00.000-05:002009-03-06T22:41:00.000-05:00Eh. Let'em do whatever they want with the bra...Eh. Let'em do whatever they want with the branding thing. I'm going to keep doing my OWN thing because that is what has worked best for me so far. I tried doing the trendy stuff and it DID sell, but I felt whorish and disloyal to myself, so I stopped and went back to making things that made me happy.<BR/><BR/>And fair enough about that most recent thread closing. I don't really keep up with the forum except to post in Business and Techniques & Materials, so I'm out of the social loop and had no idea there was stink going on in Etc.<BR/><BR/> But it does get so frustrating to have threads closed so frequently. And often times for no other reason than they're tired of hearing about it. I'd like to break Rob White's thread locking finger.Jamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11953761330893456324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-43747490152641468402009-03-06T20:16:00.000-05:002009-03-06T20:16:00.000-05:00And back to the subject at hand, which Maria asked...And back to the subject at hand, which Maria asked herself "what is Etsy" then maybe Etsy can explain why:<BR/>1. they still refuse to set up a customer service department for their sellers; and<BR/>2. why Etsy changes how they do things to make sure no one really knows what's going on...........because these days, the only way to get a CS response from Etsy is to TWEET THEM.<BR/><BR/>Now, how many seller does that shut out of the process?<BR/><BR/>The changes we know about ARE NOT SERVICES FOR ALL SELLERS. They are services, including free promotions and advertising for a tiny fraction of sellers on the site. The rest of Etsy's "services" either aren't available to most sellers, or change every time someone comes up with a totallycoolawesome idea that fits a very small demographic of both sellers and buyers.<BR/><BR/>The bigger Etsy gets, the more exclusive and narrow its focus and efforts become. It's a very tiny world at Etsy.<BR/><BR/>It's definitely not "all things handmade".The Funny Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03545537988530733607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-24762600778052390142009-03-06T17:17:00.000-05:002009-03-06T17:17:00.000-05:00I agree with what Ivonnardona said. If you can alr...I agree with what Ivonnardona said. <BR/>If you can already buy it in Urban Outfitters, why should I waste my time making it? I can't and won't compete with their mass-production prices, and if you are too lame to comprehend the difference in quality between what they sell in Urban Outfitters and what I make in my studio, I quite honestly don't want your business anyway. For me, the artistic process is like giving birth, and if you have no sensitivity, you don't deserve to adopt one of my "children."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-45578468095444354912009-03-06T17:08:00.000-05:002009-03-06T17:08:00.000-05:00The Funny One said:Branding is going to shut out m...The Funny One said:<BR/><BR/>Branding is going to shut out more sellers than ever...<BR/><BR/>**<BR/><BR/>You know, from the cattle's perspective, "branding" just means "getting burned."<BR/>RRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-81074732070248590492009-03-06T16:56:00.000-05:002009-03-06T16:56:00.000-05:00Bookman, we get it - everyone reports to Maria. Wh...Bookman, we get it - everyone reports to Maria. What was your point?<BR/><BR/>And yes, a customer knows how a company treats its customers, i.e. we know how Etsy treats its sellers and what is and isn't working.<BR/><BR/>You're getting a bit beligerent and aren't making any new points. If you can't add to the discussion and are just going to repeat yourself, we're not going to let your comments through. You don't agree with us, we get it, now get out of the way so those who want to discuss the issue at hand can.The Righteous Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08282022935228225565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-6155734620702549142009-03-06T13:47:00.000-05:002009-03-06T13:47:00.000-05:00And I'll repeat - without ever having stepped foot...And I'll repeat - without ever having stepped foot inside of Etsy, the EBs seem to think they know enough about Etsy's inner workings to criticize them.<BR/><BR/>And yet at the same time, they are saying that Maria, who set up the current management structure and who has a first-hand knowledge of how Etsy works, can't possibly know what's going on from DC.<BR/><BR/>It's a contradiction that displays an almost unfathomable presumption and disconnection from reality.Bookmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04521273374570802959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-10619665020216632842009-03-06T13:33:00.000-05:002009-03-06T13:33:00.000-05:00I have no problem with being critical, as long as ...I have no problem with being critical, as long as the critic knows what she's talking about. When the argument is circular (Etsy is full of juvenile idiots because I SAY etsy is full of juvenile idiots) it's just hot air.<BR/><BR/>--<BR/><BR/>Yes, chain of command:<BR/><BR/><I>"Chad will manage our entire technical organization, including application development, network infrastructure and quality assurance. He will report to me."</I><BR/><BR/>from Maria's announcement on the creation of a new position - Chief Technical Officer. At the old Etsy, the tech team were also co-founders and reported to nobody. <BR/><BR/>Anyone truly interested in the subject need only note that more site improvements have been made in the past six months than were made in the previous two years to see that whatever the new management structure may be, it is producing results.<BR/><BR/>Of course if one only wants to bitch, one has to ignore that fact, or complain that these improvements are actually making things worse. Like I say, there is no coherence here. Actual events don't seem to have any impact on your thinking.Bookmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04521273374570802959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-89111232355468590892009-03-06T07:16:00.000-05:002009-03-06T07:16:00.000-05:00It's been a week now, and still no word from Maria...It's been a week now, and still no word from Maria. I wish I was still surprised...Evelinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13022820658897225045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-85152572422593415262009-03-06T04:12:00.000-05:002009-03-06T04:12:00.000-05:00Once a venue for serious artisans, Etsy has become...Once a venue for serious artisans, Etsy has become just another way for digitally hip young trendoids to be wired in. You have your MySpace and Facebook pages, you have your iPod and iPhone, you have your blog and your Flickr and Twitter accounts, and now you simply must have your own Etsy store or you are NOT COOL. No matter that you have no real talent or training or inspiration. Etsy Admin will tell you what to make and sell, and there are plenty of suppliers on Etsy who will sell you the stuff you need to make it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-53124372115564812362009-03-06T00:16:00.000-05:002009-03-06T00:16:00.000-05:00There most definitely was calling out in that thre...There most definitely was calling out in that thread. and it was the same comment from the same person that got the other threads in etc closed.<BR/><BR/>And people aren't stupid, when a topic such as the one quirke started comes up right after a spate of nasty convo threads, you know the thread is at least in part, in reference to those. does that mean the issue isn't worth discussing? Certainly not.<BR/><BR/>But folks who know about the one certain covo that generated a LOT of controversy will think (right or wrong) that the closed thread had to do with it.<BR/><BR/>I also felt, after reading the other threads, that there was a lot of innuendo in quirke's thread. Not that these sorts of thread closings don't happen, but the timing of this one was just too close to the most recent issue.WindysDesignshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11763465841442652702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-35789763780887405942009-03-05T16:22:00.000-05:002009-03-05T16:22:00.000-05:00Bookman--so much time spent explaining how well yo...Bookman--so much time spent explaining how well your office runs without the boss on site.<BR/><BR/>Gee, hope you weren't writing that at work...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-39472849581936353672009-03-05T15:04:00.000-05:002009-03-05T15:04:00.000-05:00It occurs to me that perhaps the reason why Admin ...It occurs to me that perhaps the reason why Admin are so slow to respond to threads is that they know that if they dawdle long enough, the thread will either run out of steam and sink to the bottom of the forum, or devolve into "forbidden" territory, giving them an excuse to close it.<BR/><BR/>Either way, it's both immature and passive-aggressive - neither of which is productive or professional.Ranahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11041247235612040796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-56409495356687531772009-03-04T19:46:00.000-05:002009-03-04T19:46:00.000-05:00Etsy's needed a strong management presence in the ...Etsy's needed a strong management presence in the office because, even today, Etsy Admins make countless mistakes by stating policy without review, send "violation warnings" when there have been no violations, and generally take a hostile attitude towards their sellers (who aren't their favorites).<BR/><BR/>It's a subtle and subversive harassment that has fostered a negative attitude which all comes out in the forums, or seller to seller abuse that would not be tolerated on any other social site.<BR/><BR/>Etsy created the negative tone and they seem to thrive on it. Like a bunch of schoolyard bullies.<BR/><BR/>Branding is going to shut out more sellers than ever. If paying months of listing fees, holding out for sales that never come, and waiting in vain for an Etsy promo, marketing Etsy for free and tying your own products to a Brand that has nothing to do with handmade is your thing----------start stocking up on Etsy Supplies, because it's time to start making Etsy Products in the Etsy Colors in time for the Rotating Oddest Disposable Merchandising Items Theme Calendar (that have nothing to do with handmade) and become the joke of the world of online retail.<BR/><BR/>Branding is picking the easy way out. Instead of learning to market a huge and growing store site with unique handmade products, Etsy is telling everyone that they just aren't smart enough to figure out what to do. <BR/><BR/>Some marketing guru told them Eureka, Branding! and like every other Etsy Trend, they jumped on the idea--------because they can do their jobs in 10 minutes every day by "picking by number" and "blogging by color" which shows just how utterly incompetent they are.<BR/><BR/>Isn't it interesting that a company that calls itself INDIE, and actively UNPROMOTES retail holidays would suddenly become the most mundane, old school, retail doldrums, old fashioned, BRAND???? How "traditional" can you get?The Funny Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03545537988530733607noreply@blogger.com