tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post7336247277352421027..comments2023-05-31T07:37:38.948-04:00Comments on Etsy Bitch: Renewing isn't worth it anymoreThe Cranky Onehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08492132798002763761noreply@blogger.comBlogger97125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-80611452664764790942009-02-01T05:56:00.000-05:002009-02-01T05:56:00.000-05:00Totally agree with what so done with etsy by now s...Totally agree with what so done with etsy by now said. Why continue to be a sucker for punishment? I also understand the need to vent and bitch, but at some point you have to ask yourself why you're expending so much energy on someplace that drives you nuts!? If it's just dissapointment after dissapointment, year after year, why not just move on? Get rid of them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-60288821103863587892009-01-29T22:50:00.000-05:002009-01-29T22:50:00.000-05:00but it's easier to just say the sellers don't have...but it's easier to just say the sellers don't have sales.<BR/>Of course most of them don't have sales on etsy, the have other successful sites. They wanted to get mroe exposure with etsy but are just getting dicked around by admin.<BR/>_______<BR/>Exactly frodo! But who the heck cares how many sales someone has? <BR/>Dumbest argument ever!<BR/>WE ALL PAY THE SAME LISTING FEES and are all members. That's our admission ticket to voice concerns. <BR/>And baffled, I don't know who you are, but telling people to work harder is stupid. The problem is, and I will use first grade primer language so you understand: <BR/><BR/>Dick and Jane pay money to Etsy to list their stuff. <BR/>Dick and Jane used to see their stuff go buy on the front page scroll. <BR/>Sometimes Mrs. Buyer used to see their stuff and buy it.<BR/>Now Dick and Jane don't see their stuff.<BR/>Now Mrs. Buyer doesn't see their stuff and she doesn't buy it.<BR/>Dick and Jane are getting less for their money.<BR/>Dick and Jane want to know why and asked admin.<BR/>Mrs. Buyer is forced to either use the crummy search (heaven forbid) or go to the Front Page or Gift Guides. <BR/>This makes the sellers on the Front Page and in the Gift Guides very happy. <BR/>Admin likes the sellers on the Front Page and in the Gift Guides, so this makes Admin happy. <BR/>Dick and Jane are not happy. They are told to "work hard". <BR/>Dick and Jane are confused, because they do not remember asking for a critique of their work habits, which have always been very good.<BR/><BR/>That is why we care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-31527278794316196192009-01-29T20:13:00.000-05:002009-01-29T20:13:00.000-05:00I do pretty well. Sales wise. I have never renewed...I do pretty well. Sales wise. I have never renewed. I stand by my opinion. I'm glad the chronic renewers will be shut down. Make something new every day, instead of renewing the same items 5 times a week.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-70204173946780581522009-01-29T18:17:00.000-05:002009-01-29T18:17:00.000-05:00Baffled said: Comments like this and the one bash...Baffled said: <BR/><BR/>Comments like this and the one bashing Tim Adam blow my mind. I find that anytime I come here and actually read this crap...the sellers who are bitching are the ones with very little sales. Why don't you all quit blaming Etsy for your lack of success and take some responsibility? There are MANY people on Etsy doing just fine despite all of the "horrible things" Etsy does. I think it's bullshit. Plain bullshit. If you suck and your sales have dropped...that's your own damn fault.<BR/><BR/>-----------------<BR/>First off, lots of the people complaining have had tons of sales, many of which have already left etsy. <BR/>I get the majority of my commissions off etsy, but I also plan on shifting to artfire. I take responsibility for my sales, but don't really like being lied to by a company that should be working for me (since the sellers are the ones who make etsy)<BR/><BR/>Even if we completely disregard the condescending tone the admin have constantly given us, they've lied to us time and again.<BR/>When I joined last year I was told (by admin) that relisting would GUARANTEE me a spot on the front page. <BR/>So getting the "well we lied to you all" response from the admin finished off with "hope that helps" really lets us know how admin really feels about the sellers.<BR/><BR/>Of course every time there is a post where people get unhappy with etsy it is shut down.<BR/>I went through 137 pages of comments and couldn't really find anything that warranted Matt to shut down the thread...other then the fact that etsy was getting a what for from the sellers.<BR/><BR/>but it's easier to just say the sellers don't have sales.<BR/>Of course most of them don't have sales on etsy, the have other successful sites. They wanted to get mroe exposure with etsy but are just getting dicked around by admin.TeawithFrodohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14739446950032068589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-57893816887953954722009-01-29T17:51:00.000-05:002009-01-29T17:51:00.000-05:00http://www.etsy.com/storque/etsy-news/community-to...http://www.etsy.com/storque/etsy-news/community-topics-some-thoughts-on-recently-listed-items-3332/<BR/><BR/>Mat apologizes for lousy communication, comments are closed on the article. discussion in forum only.eclipsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17182315716049100221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-45180466035834781722009-01-29T13:10:00.000-05:002009-01-29T13:10:00.000-05:00The decision to leave Etsy, whether or not one mov...The decision to leave Etsy, whether or not one moves to Artfire, is obviously one that people need to make for themselves. But I do get tired of the idea that closing shop on Etsy is somehow equivalent to stomping off in a huff because one's sales are low.<BR/><BR/>It's <I>because</I> my sales are low (unsurprising, given that I've had an online shop for less than four months) that I CAN leave Etsy. If I were a more established seller, it would a much more consequential and serious decision. That such established sellers are considering it says volumes about the problems at Etsy.<BR/><BR/>I do get more hits at Etsy than at ArtFire or Zenfolio, but a lot of those hits are from traffic I drove there myself (my own blog gets three times the hits my Etsy shop gets, and that's in a quiet period when I'm not posting regularly), and now that I'm planning an advertising campaign, it makes little sense to send traffic (and money) to a site with such obvious problems with communication and honesty.<BR/><BR/>I considered my time at Etsy as a trial period, to see how the site works, to see what the support and interface are like, and so on. What I've found is that the site is substantially buggy, the interface cumbersome, the pricing structure not ideal, and the administrative staff highly unprofessional - in some cases to the point of verging on the unethical.<BR/><BR/>Simply put, that is not how I do business, and Etsy is not the sort of company with whom I would want as a business partner. I'm not looking for a friend, or a buddy, or someone who will tell me that they "love" me. I want a secure, efficient online platform, with reliable functionality, and an administrative team that communicates well and responds promptly.<BR/><BR/>The IDEA of Etsy is great, as are many of the people who buy and sell through that company. But the company itself is incompetent and unreliable, and there's enough uncertainty in online retail that I see no reason to pay to compound that uncertainty because Etsy can't get its shit together.<BR/><BR/>I gave them four months. I see little reason to give them four more.Ranahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11041247235612040796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-24775659017347743862009-01-29T10:07:00.000-05:002009-01-29T10:07:00.000-05:00I'm irritated that the staff has even more of thei...I'm irritated that the staff has even more of their picks again: as if the GG, the GG FP, Storque, Featured Sellers weren't enough. I like seeing what other sellers pick (besides the FP regulars).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-2944017387166312412009-01-29T06:53:00.000-05:002009-01-29T06:53:00.000-05:00while i completely agree with the complaints, once...while i completely agree with the complaints, once you've done venting its time to hunker down, focus on what you do best and start to reduce your expectations of what is going to be possible for you on any online site this -09- season if you are in the US. If you are elsewhere it is only a matter of time before your economy is as deeply troubled as it is in cowtown USA. <BR/>honestly, moving to artfire in a huff is going to do you little good. few people are selling on there like is possible for you on etsy.<BR/>the name of the game in business is getting people to see your items. to be a smart business person sometimes you have to overlook the crap.<BR/>yes etsy needs to get their act together but seriosuly moving to artfire only hurts you in the long run. keep both shops open is all i'm sayinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-82867579840669436242009-01-28T22:40:00.000-05:002009-01-28T22:40:00.000-05:00Jimbob Sniddly said...* ETSY HAD THEIR DATA AVAILA...Jimbob Sniddly said...<BR/>* ETSY HAD THEIR DATA AVAILABLE ON THE WEB * and it was republished. Anyone can go read it.<BR/>----------------<BR/>can you link to where you got those figures?<BR/>I know they give the numbers for new listings in the Storque but I have never seen them publish renewal numbers.<BR/>and your numbers do not match up with what is published in the Storque.eclipsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17182315716049100221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-85969706729228902432009-01-28T18:45:00.000-05:002009-01-28T18:45:00.000-05:00That BS from Matt is terrible... again, right in l...That BS from Matt is terrible... again, right in line with what Revolving Dreck told everyone last year at various times.<BR/><BR/>That's public relations? Maybe he should get a book about it... <BR/><BR/>They haven't tried at all to give more exposure to sellers, other than really skewed, selective efforts that benefit .0001% of sellers. Sellers have steadily been getting less and less for their money - like when companies start putting 13 ounces of chips in the bad instead of 16 for the same price.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-10569768532462298832009-01-28T18:30:00.000-05:002009-01-28T18:30:00.000-05:00I woke up to find one of my items on the FP, in a ...I woke up to find one of my items on the FP, in a staff-picked treasury of "recently listed items." Thing is, that item hadn't been listed in a month.<BR/>_________<BR/>I find it amusing that they think they have put one over on us. They keep coming up with more and more ways to push the approved faves out in front (not referring to you 14th), not realizing that no matter how it is done, it is still obvious.<BR/>I am sorry Matt had to close that thread. It is sad that some people have no self control and have to butt into everything and make it about themselves and bring up issues that have nothing to do with the matter at hand. Sure, someone cracked, but can you blame them? That much cat piss is eventually going to make even the most mild mannered soul just blow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-50182366809249048772009-01-28T17:09:00.000-05:002009-01-28T17:09:00.000-05:00Chiara said... I don't actually care about this. M...Chiara said... <BR/>I don't actually care about this. Maybe I should be snarky. :P but it was sort of annoying that people could afford to constantly bump stuff up and I never could (poor student here). I only renew when things expire.<BR/>.................................<BR/><BR/>Comments like this and the one bashing Tim Adam blow my mind. I find that anytime I come here and actually read this crap...the sellers who are bitching are the ones with very little sales. Why don't you all quit blaming Etsy for your lack of success and take some responsibility? There are MANY people on Etsy doing just fine despite all of the "horrible things" Etsy does. I think it's bullshit. Plain bullshit. If you suck and your sales have dropped...that's your own damn fault.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-37117844379586397392009-01-28T16:50:00.000-05:002009-01-28T16:50:00.000-05:00Isn't the colloquial definition of insanity to con...Isn't the colloquial definition of insanity to continue to do the same thing and each time expect a different outcome? I don't understand why people continue to think that as long as they shake their fists at Etsy that anything is going to significantly improve. <BR/><BR/>Etsybitch is a great forum for expressing honest frustration about a potentially wonderful site that has spiraled out of control and sprayed shit over thousands of people in the process. But at some point it becomes necessary to recognize that Etsy isn't going to change for the better, no matter how much potential you think it might have. <BR/><BR/>Use Etsy's business model as a learning experience for how not to run a business and how not to treat your customers, and that will be it's real value to you in the end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-54309354546644877412009-01-28T15:40:00.000-05:002009-01-28T15:40:00.000-05:00Yeah, I agree with most of the comments here about...Yeah, I agree with most of the comments here about the Etsyspeak gobbledegook and the mix up with what relisting means (and who really knows when Etsy does their own thing all the time). At least I learn a lot more from EB comments than 10 weeks of forum agony.<BR/><BR/>You do know that Matt is just sucking up more seller attention while Etsy takes control of the entire site.....right?<BR/><BR/>They have done all their little tweaks since January 1, pulling the rug out from everyone and anyone.<BR/><BR/>So, we'll migrate off Etsy as the new sites get better, and some are really better depending on what you sell. Most of us will find great venues and take our loyal customers with us.<BR/><BR/>The secret is out, Etsy (although your continued disdain for most sellers is not). Pushing them right out the door might actually start hitting your bottom line. Sooner is better than later.The Funny Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03545537988530733607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-35455209004030214982009-01-28T15:39:00.000-05:002009-01-28T15:39:00.000-05:00The words "CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT" just came up in t...The words "CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT" just came up in the forums.<BR/>Count me in!<BR/>Who has a lawyer in the family?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-66185071436962106802009-01-28T15:26:00.000-05:002009-01-28T15:26:00.000-05:00My favorite part you didn't include in the comment...My favorite part you didn't include in the comment is the "hope this helps!" standard response admins gave....Little Lovableshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02372045299073262480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-3044092002665870612009-01-28T15:25:00.000-05:002009-01-28T15:25:00.000-05:00I have stopped renewing for the most part, and ins...I have stopped renewing for the most part, and instead am trying to focus on only listing new items and promoting elsewhere.Little Lovableshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02372045299073262480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-59097596547742904232009-01-28T14:57:00.000-05:002009-01-28T14:57:00.000-05:00Etsy is now stating that the listing fee does not ...Etsy is now stating that the listing fee does not guarantee you anything but a listing in your shop for a set amount of time. Okay, this might be "offical" but its backpeddling to me, disingenuous at best. Etsy has been peddling relisting as a good marketing technique implicitly and I would argue, explicitly. They have a scroll on the front page and multiple shopping tools that list items. Not a subset of items. Newly listed items. The only caveat is that your stuff may not show up immediately. To me, this implies, your stuff is going to show up. It did before. Nothing about this text implies that you're getting anything but everything.<BR/><BR/>How many Quit Your Day Job or other Big Sellers have written articles touting relisting as a good idea? A lot. I don't read all of them, but they include it. These are official etsy article, not to mention all the blogs, etc. -->Okay, scratch that last statement, I read the last couple QYDJ articles looking for proof and they don't mention renewing or relisting, but here's an article about On-Etsy marketing that's still out there: http://www.etsy.com/storque/how-to/i-heart-marketing-my-etsy-shop-and-you-will-too-part-2-18/ Its dated 10-2007. Not big proof though.<BR/><BR/>I understand that there may be technical glitches with the TM and front page (timing vs mass numbers), but apologize for that and your inability to scale, refund some listing fees and stop hiding behind "technically it only counts for your listing." If that's the case, you should have labeled everything "A selection of newly listed items."KPPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01268122985993425032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-71742867711398212102009-01-28T09:14:00.000-05:002009-01-28T09:14:00.000-05:00And... it's closed. Matt now tells us that our $0....And... it's closed. Matt now tells us that our $0.20 per listing never included a guarantee to find your item in the Recently Listed items on the homepage or the Timemachines. Riiight. So what about the YEARS of pushing us to relist and renew as part of our marketing strategy? <BR/><BR/>http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6017266Evelinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13022820658897225045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-27851543350081492102009-01-28T08:55:00.000-05:002009-01-28T08:55:00.000-05:00My only exposure on Etsy came from TM1 and TM2.I s...My only exposure on Etsy came from TM1 and TM2.<BR/>I still sell, but I have branched to other venues and see some success there. <BR/>The structure of the new BIG Etsy does not work anymore unless you are among the chosen few who receive FP visibility.<BR/>I guess it was nice while it lasted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-33636532228835513022009-01-28T05:10:00.000-05:002009-01-28T05:10:00.000-05:00Andy, it matters which term is used because relist...Andy, it matters which term is used because relisting and renewing are NOT the same.<BR/><BR/>One cannot "relist" what one has not sold.<BR/><BR/>And using the wrong term is extremely confusing to people.<BR/><BR/>It's like using the words "pie" and "cake" interchangeably. They're both desserts. They're both nummy. You can use strawberries in both. But they are NOT the same. If someone used those terms in that way, someone just learning English would be confused as all get out.<BR/><BR/>Someone just learning Etsyspeak, and even the veterans, get all confoozled when these words are used wrong.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>And I'm off to have some strawberries *grin*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-28568091876142446512009-01-28T03:04:00.000-05:002009-01-28T03:04:00.000-05:00Fake moustache on a stick... how clever and novel!...Fake moustache on a stick... how clever and novel! Just want a man wants.<BR/><BR/>SO, for ONE MORE TIME: We don't need to rely on hearsay or theoretical speculation about income from relistings. * ETSY HAD THEIR DATA AVAILABLE ON THE WEB * and it was republished. Anyone can go read it.<BR/><BR/>an average day might be<BR/><BR/>new listings:4500<BR/>renewed listings: 2300<BR/>commissions: 4800<BR/>fees_showcase :1250<BR/>total today:13000<BR/><BR/>New Listings and Commissions combined are (or were) almost always FOUR TO FIVE TIMES relisting fees.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-58034468167858855522009-01-27T17:15:00.000-05:002009-01-27T17:15:00.000-05:00NewDaySameFrontPage and The Funny One,I noticed th...NewDaySameFrontPage and The Funny One,<BR/><BR/>I noticed that too and can confirm that the FP is bull because this morning I woke up to find one of my items on the FP, in a staff-picked treasury of "recently listed items." Thing is, that item hadn't been listed in a month.<BR/><BR/>I'm really not sure what prompted the love. I'm not an FP regular.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-37641774126898748912009-01-27T16:01:00.000-05:002009-01-27T16:01:00.000-05:00Does anyone want to go and gently cluestick some n...Does anyone want to go and gently cluestick some newbies?<BR/><BR/>This thread exulting over the power of premature renewing (sorry, Pedantic! if I screwed up earlier) just went up today.<BR/><BR/>SIGH.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6016949" REL="nofollow">http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6016949</A>Ranahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11041247235612040796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-83298965279635608462009-01-27T15:53:00.000-05:002009-01-27T15:53:00.000-05:00I don't see why it matters which term one uses. al...I don't see why it matters which term one uses. <BR/><BR/>all costs 20 cents and your item goes back to top of the category. Who knows if it's seen or not. <BR/><BR/>list/renew/relist- all same to me.Andy Mathishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10111869432073546594noreply@blogger.com