tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post4466969839918171903..comments2023-05-31T07:37:38.948-04:00Comments on Etsy Bitch: Etsy Fucked Up AgainThe Cranky Onehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08492132798002763761noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-42709802449412455372011-01-23T16:14:01.578-05:002011-01-23T16:14:01.578-05:00I'm so glad that this discussion is taking pla...I'm so glad that this discussion is taking place here. Not only did I close up shop on etsy over this, but I also stop participating in regretsy too. The facebook comments on the issue were totally hypocritical and bizarre, especially since the comments there usually blow up over racist shit like "mammy dolls" or swastikas. <br />One thing nobody has pointed out about this shop yet, at least not anywhere I have seen- this seller has his own website and sells the cards there too. I thought it was against etsy rules to do that? Whatever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-47874680235316964672011-01-21T11:45:41.448-05:002011-01-21T11:45:41.448-05:00I am a rape survivor. Believe me, rape is nothing ...I am a rape survivor. Believe me, rape is nothing to laugh about. Any form of rape is a life changer. Even the most resilient of us live with scars. If the rape was very violent, and we though we would be killed, we can live in terrible fear for a long long time, especially if the rapist is not caught. <br /><br />The other thing I see with that "Bad Touched" card is sexual abuse, incest, molestation. "Bad touching" is what we teach our children, for God's sake. <br /><br />But to me the WORST cards were those making fun of Down syndrome children and parents. As a parent of a special needs child (tic disorder), having seen her hurt because people are cruel, dealing with ignorant teachers who thought that her ticking was a conscious choice, the Down syndrome cards enraged me. I kept wondering what kind of person could make cards like that. <br /><br />I'm also a cancer survivor. If a "friend" had sent me a "Congratulations on your cancer" card, I would have been devastated. On the other hand, a congratulations for beating cancer card would be gratefully received. Despite the BS from the seller, the cancer cards had nothing to do with beating cancer. <br /><br />I am glad to see that Adam stepped in and changed the TOU. Glad to see that there appears to be one adult at Etsy. Hope that he takes more of a management role (if Kalin and Wilson will let him) and puts an end to the middle school atmosphere of Etsy admin.picklevalentinevintageglassbeadshttp://www.artfire.com/users/picklevalentinevintagebeadsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-87947725457325891352011-01-21T07:39:13.128-05:002011-01-21T07:39:13.128-05:00For when you guys tackle the FORUMS, ... It's ...For when you guys tackle the FORUMS, ... It's all about creating even more EXIT RAMPS from the paying customer's shops. Check out the cspia? forum. Click on a poster, go to their profile, ... and low and behold.for the hell of itnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-39012813945543931012011-01-20T19:51:09.599-05:002011-01-20T19:51:09.599-05:00What happened to Callin' Out on Etsy? They'...What happened to Callin' Out on Etsy? They're not there today.nomorecupcakespleasenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-52991398764917473892011-01-19T18:30:04.763-05:002011-01-19T18:30:04.763-05:00Oh gosh, that was a long piece on CNN. Never good ...Oh gosh, that was a long piece on CNN. Never good to have publicity like this. Yikes.Tricia Rush Richnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046438048244603953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-12978175468989124622011-01-19T18:16:26.650-05:002011-01-19T18:16:26.650-05:00I am usually all over free speech and am usually p...I am usually all over free speech and am usually pretty liberal in its defense. However, I could not find one reason this seller should be allowed to still sell this kind of merchandise. Who - WHO - would EVER find this FUNNY? There is no one, no circumstance where it would ever be funny that your child has Down syndrome. I just don't get it. It's awful and I'm really disgusted with it.Tricia Rush Richnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046438048244603953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-58053771730521099332011-01-19T07:05:00.808-05:002011-01-19T07:05:00.808-05:00Well Etsy's "fixed" search that they...Well Etsy's "fixed" search that they didn't bother to mention that doesn't include searching descriptions anymore http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6736449&page=1<br /><br />and the admin said they didn't want to bother anyone by announcing it, should at least make it harder to find.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07657360214904892111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-58680352241157567002011-01-18T22:52:10.949-05:002011-01-18T22:52:10.949-05:00There are some comments here that the tainting of ...There are some comments here that the tainting of Etsy's image will be fleeting.<br /><br />Not in my experience. I work & sell in a number of brick & mortar stores & art co-ops & many of the shoppers who come in know about Etsy & the rape cards. Even as of a couple of days ago. <br /><br />And I've even been asked by customers, "Don't you sell on Etsy?"<br /><br />My reply: "Yes, but I'm minimizing my shop there and I'm against the cards and what they stand for and I don't agree with Etsy on any of their policies on this issue."<br /><br />They kind of look at me with this "then why sell on there" look. If it keeps up (which it may), then I'm off of Etsy (since most of my customers at Etsy are my brick and mortar customers or friends & family of my brick and mortar customers).<br /><br />I would venture to guess that most of my brick and mortar customers do not go in for the "keep it weird" items or any of the other things commenters here have talked about... even the light silly stuff that makes the front page: owls, mustaches, foxes and bunnies. In a way, the site is set up so that if "you can't beat it, join it" otherwise you will never get the same goodies as the favored sellers get. It compromises ones art & direction & apparently (now), their reputation based on selling on a site that lets in offensive, badly drawn art in order to keep up with a hipster version of the first amendment.jadenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-78404526123891764232011-01-18T21:00:54.907-05:002011-01-18T21:00:54.907-05:00Now that they have finished having the "lawye...Now that they have finished having the "lawyers" go over it and have a chance to word their own response, Etsy can look all politically correct and shit.<br /><br />If it looks good on the surface, that is all that matters. SSDDBeenDonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-76448814096989810172011-01-17T19:56:32.600-05:002011-01-17T19:56:32.600-05:00I do wonder how many of the people who are asserti...I do wonder how many of the people who are asserting that this is no big deal would be singing the same tune if the cards displayed a racial bias instead.AllergicToCupcakesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-3845024561496976562011-01-17T17:42:48.095-05:002011-01-17T17:42:48.095-05:00I'm really disgusted by all the people (some o...I'm really disgusted by all the people (some of whom I'd respected up to this point) who are so eager to defend the promotion of misogyny, sexual violence and ridiculing the disabled. You don't have to be personally offended by something to be able to figure out that it just might be offensive, especially to the groups targeted.AllergicToCupcakesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-42531440601811940332011-01-17T08:57:00.460-05:002011-01-17T08:57:00.460-05:00E's revised TOU's just underline the longs...E's revised TOU's just underline the longstanding structural flaws in their entire model. E is run by a huge editorial staff who have clearly stated their personal preferences to the point where E is 150% predictable...and boring. <br /><br />A huge list of TOU's has nothing to do with following rules, E doesn't run that way. It runs on personal preferences, including their proven practice of altering, editing, closing shops, and other tactics that make it a hostile environment for many sellers. "Preferred sellers" (and we all know who they are, it's a short list) are treated with a completely different set of "rules" on E.<br /><br />The new TOU's should have been emailed to all sellers, but E is too lazy to care. And too arrogant to point a bigger finger at another predictable E PR fiasco.<br /><br />E is quick to jam up sellers they don't like, but their own mistakes? What mistakes?The Funny Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03545537988530733607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-42514009579695513722011-01-16T15:51:50.800-05:002011-01-16T15:51:50.800-05:00Somehow it seems this is a dead issue.
Etsy has m...Somehow it seems this is a dead issue. <br />Etsy has made a feeble response, beards and bunnies are still "trends" and pink is the color this year. <br />Everyone needs to get busy making those trendy items so they can be an Etsy sucess. <br />Move along now, nothing to see here...foxazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00652790979739277057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-57487984608920830732011-01-15T16:48:35.526-05:002011-01-15T16:48:35.526-05:00The 'slippery slope now everything will be ban...The 'slippery slope now everything will be banned' people sure are annoying.<br /><br />Etsy doesn't even do a very good job of removing things that are already against their rules, so what is it you think is going to happen? <br /><br />There were ALREADY various types of offensive and illegal items that were against the rules. And, if Etsy wanted to get rid of you, they had plenty of ways.<br /><br />I really don't see Etsy using this to remove marijuana, religious or feminist related items. I'd place money on that.<br /><br />If you want to shop for demeaning bullshit, maybe Artfire or Zibbet or Ebay will accomodoate you. Probably <i>not</i> though, so good luck.reznitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-90712144510015433982011-01-14T22:06:35.051-05:002011-01-14T22:06:35.051-05:00Wow, lookie:
http://www.etsy.com/policy/dosdonts#...Wow, lookie:<br /><br />http://www.etsy.com/policy/dosdonts#prohibited<br /><br />Better late than never, but better never late....Headdesk Once Morenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-33745653449395838432011-01-14T20:25:51.044-05:002011-01-14T20:25:51.044-05:00Etsy edited their TOU in response to the situation...Etsy edited their TOU in response to the situation. The new TOU wording makes it easy to misinterpret and abuse. But, the only reason they did anything about it at all was because of the bad press. Count on it.Seinfeldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-64302641013004951622011-01-14T19:14:30.386-05:002011-01-14T19:14:30.386-05:00Etsy amended their policies, I see. It was a littl...Etsy amended their policies, I see. It was a little too late but I guess not too little.reznitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-6313680854973372482011-01-14T18:15:46.634-05:002011-01-14T18:15:46.634-05:00Congratulations:
http://www.etsy.com/storque/etsy...Congratulations:<br /><br />http://www.etsy.com/storque/etsy-news/policy-change-prohibiting-items-and-listings-that-disparage--11599/<br /><br />Now it'll be up to Etsy's always-perfect judgment calls to decide whether or not you're selling:<br /><br />Items or listings that promote, support or glorify hatred toward or otherwise demean people based upon: race, ethnicity, religion, gender, gender identity, disability, or sexual orientation; including items or content that promote organizations with such views<br /><br />Items or listings that promote or support illegal activity or instruct others to engage in illegal activity<br /><br />Items or listings that promote, support or glorify acts of violence or harm towards self or others<br /><br />We reserve the right to remove listings that we determine are not within the spirit of Etsy.<br /><br />So basically all you're be able to sell are owls, cowls, and pictures of bicycles. "Organizations that promote..." could be any religion, activist groups, et cetera. No more handcrafted pipes because they might be used to smoke weed...<br /><br />I could go on, and I don't think that it'll really be a vast cleansing of Etsy. BUT, if you speak out in the forums, for instance, they do go through your shop with a fine-toothed comb to see what they can shut you up for, and this leaves a HUGE possibility for abuse.<br /><br />Anyway, I'm sure everyone will sleep better at night, so sweet dreams.Oinknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-75618446784974798902011-01-14T17:04:37.996-05:002011-01-14T17:04:37.996-05:00http://www.etsy.com/storque/etsy-news/policy-chang...http://www.etsy.com/storque/etsy-news/policy-change-prohibiting-items-and-listings-that-disparage--11599/?ref=fp_blog_titleLaura Brackenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02364303327135116922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-68526291356981856482011-01-13T20:49:55.198-05:002011-01-13T20:49:55.198-05:00All I can say is...I REALLY Hate etsy!All I can say is...I REALLY Hate etsy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-27200722434184656662011-01-12T11:49:24.564-05:002011-01-12T11:49:24.564-05:00More than anything, this has to do with attatching...More than anything, this has to do with attatching yourself to etsy's branding and their inability to make grownup decisions.<br /><br />Their PR department (wait, do they have one) must think it's cool to remain silent, when a few chosen words would have been the responsible thing to do.<br /><br />Anyone outraged over these cards needs to take a good look at what else is being sold on the site. <br /><br />Masterbating dinos and baby Jesus fetuses, well, just about anything that appeals to the middle school set....<br /><br />The real choice artists need to make is if they want their work associated with the etsy brand.takeagoodlooknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-88490884119364146712011-01-12T10:52:08.784-05:002011-01-12T10:52:08.784-05:00really? freedom of speech hahahaaaaa! I was muted ...really? freedom of speech hahahaaaaa! I was muted for not paying my bill! Not the first time I haven't been able to pay it but for some reason they felt it necessary to mute me this time.<br /><br />willy nilly Peter Pan rules, "there are no rules and them's the rules"<br />their disciplinary actions are just <br />knee jerk reactions based on their emotions IMO.just---pfffft!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-21814229671781301062011-01-12T07:43:19.504-05:002011-01-12T07:43:19.504-05:00Heck it's only few days later and the world ha...Heck it's only few days later and the world has moved on. The Etsy sellers(or the one who are in the forums anyway) are probably the only ones fussing about it now. I'll guess most Etsy sellers and 99.9999% of buyers missed this completely. <br /><br />Etsy got some press time and a little hiccup from sellers, which they silenced anyway. Gee sounds like cheap advertising for them. I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't the ones(anonymously of course)who guided CNN to the cards in the first place. <br /><br />They were mentioned in the AF forum on the 5th so they were around for awhileAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07657360214904892111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-19220712802296745842011-01-11T18:07:10.773-05:002011-01-11T18:07:10.773-05:00It's very interesting that one of Etsy's e...It's very interesting that one of Etsy's engineers was one of this shop's first customers - wanna bet this shop is run by an Admin Boyfriend? - Hahaha - I can think of no other reason Etsy would allow this...people make bad decisions all the time in defense of friends - just sayin'. Almost tempted to spend 2.50 to find out...I Wonder...noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-53360338116337868382011-01-11T14:14:09.801-05:002011-01-11T14:14:09.801-05:00This is not capital hill, Etsy is not the Supreme ...This is not capital hill, Etsy is not the Supreme Court. Etsy is a shopping venue. Shopping. A place where you want to attract buyers, appeal to buyers, because you want them to spend their money there, and impress them enough so that they will return to spend even more money. And you want to appeal to the majority.<br />Well the majority would not buy these cards, and the majority find them disgusting.<br />Once someone is disgusted by something, if it’s food - they don’t eat it again; if it’s a person - they don’t associate with that person again; if it’s a place, they don’t go there again. And that is what it comes down to for most consumers.<br /><br />For me and my family who are all buyers (not sellers on Etsy at all), this kind of offensive item is beyond penis pillows and paintings of naked women. There is no malice or mocking of hurtful, scary, illegal, socially and morally iniquitousness in your basic penis pillow and nude painting.<br />As buyers, if any one of my family members saw those cards, I can guarantee you, they would NOT return to Etsy. And if they then knew that Etsy upheld these items on their website, they would tell others not too shop there as well. <br /><br />Some will say that attitude is not fair to all the other sellers on Etsy. These same people need to realize that they are not politicians, they are sellers who should be trying to appeal to buyers, not offending them.<br />You can argue freedom of speech until you’re blue in the face, but it wont make you a sale in your shop. What makes a sale is appealing to consumers and not disgusting them.<br />By doing business with Etsy, sellers are associating with Etsy. So when one seller tarnishes Etsy’s reputation, all sellers in association with Etsy feel the burn.<br />Sellers should be more concerned not over freedom of speech but over Etsy reputation. Fight for that, because that is where your sales come from. When a buyer is out to spend money on Etsy, they are not concerned with freedom of speech. That is probably the last thing on their minds. What’s on their minds is spending money at a really awesome website with a great reputation for quality products.<br />Once something has been ‘seen it cannot be unseen’, once a consumer is disgusted, their wallets are put back in their pockets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com