tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post4102284870186255706..comments2023-05-31T07:37:38.948-04:00Comments on Etsy Bitch: Etsy wants to know...The Cranky Onehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08492132798002763761noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-33515801360327119762008-12-30T20:50:00.000-05:002008-12-30T20:50:00.000-05:00Rokali seems to have confused revolution with re-i...Rokali seems to have confused revolution with re-inventing the wheel. I wish he'd spend a little more time at the drawing board and actually initiate conversations about these very topics in a more informed and intelligent way because if he was doing that it WOULD be valuable...business conversation for artists is always a good thing.<BR/><BR/>I also wanted to put in a "second that" about a previous poster who pointed out that people at different life stages are going to define making a living differently. I am a person whose financial obligations are pretty minimal, so I am able to meet my needs doing what I do...but I realize that's not the case for everyone, and presenting Etsy as THE way for EVERYONE to cut the cord on day jobs is certainly not realistic.Ladies Auxilliaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08988744862218318162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-90917611108382831762008-12-30T00:10:00.000-05:002008-12-30T00:10:00.000-05:00Did anyone see Rob's most recent comment? Rob... ...Did anyone see Rob's most recent comment? Rob... if you're not good at certain things, you surround yourself with those that are. I hope you've learned this. Also, you don't insult those who may be good at what you aren't... as they probably won't want to work for you. <BR/> <BR/>Oh, also... your position sounds like the position given to every other failing founder... I've seen it so many times I can't count all of them on just two hands. <BR/><BR/>Yep... Etsy.org... mission statement:<BR/><BR/>Give Rob something to do so he doesn't bug us too much. Does the name Jerry Yang ring a bell? The only unfortunate thing there is that Yahoo! brought him back... let's hope that Etsy learns from others.Top Shelf Toteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07291601853378560366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-81936798083932673772008-12-29T18:56:00.000-05:002008-12-29T18:56:00.000-05:00Kalin had a woodship in his bedroom?This strange f...Kalin had a woodship in his bedroom?<BR/><BR/>This strange factoid raises the eternal question, Is that a tiny, wee, redwood sliver or are you just happy to see me?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-24085000740777416022008-12-29T17:37:00.000-05:002008-12-29T17:37:00.000-05:00I wish Rob was safely back in the 1700s making pia...I wish Rob was safely back in the 1700s making pianos, sometimes.<BR/><BR/>Maybe Switzerland will keep him?The Dangerous Mezzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08431535159253974395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-8541835729724668282008-12-29T14:23:00.000-05:002008-12-29T14:23:00.000-05:00If Rob or anyone on the Etsy staff was concerned a...If Rob or anyone on the Etsy staff was concerned about small businesses owners & their needs to be educated ...<BR/><BR/>they could have taken all the time, energy & resources SQUANDERED on the storque and used it to accomplish something worthwhile a long time ago.<BR/><BR/>They already had the platform, the audience, the obvious need in front of them.<BR/><BR/>-Instead, I suppose it was easier to get non-writers to write about fluff.<BR/><BR/>-Instead they paid Bre money to make dangerous hammocks (insert any of the other many examples of wasteful, worthlessness here).<BR/><BR/>-Instead, he wasted THOUSANDS of hours of concerned sellers' time by asking for input on the forums and then did NOTHING with that feedback.<BR/>(Yes, I think it's shameful that people spent their valuable time lobbying for changes that probably were never even read by Admin.)<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Rokali, what makes you think you can put together a worthwhile etsy.org when you couldn't grasp the fundamentals of customer service or show genuine concern for your customers when they were begging for basic tools on the original site?<BR/><BR/>Fat chance I'll be visiting etsy.org if it's anything like your vanity project The Storque.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-14141278171338199812008-12-29T13:56:00.000-05:002008-12-29T13:56:00.000-05:00Perhaps Rob is making a "How to Start a Smal...Perhaps Rob is making a "How to Start a Small Business Resource for Hipsters" Site.<BR/><BR/>Honestly, it is really disgusting.<BR/><BR/>If empanadas are the new cupcakes, then Rob's Parachute whatever is the new hipster doofus MBA.<BR/><BR/>Ironic that pilots use a parachute to save their life from a crashing plane. Does that mean that <BR/>Common Sense Business Practice = Airplane...<BR/>&<BR/>Rob and the wonder world of etsy hipsternomics = Parachute?<BR/><BR/>-PaintedBullPaintedBullShop.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15592585323935861995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-65510188976677275382008-12-29T12:39:00.000-05:002008-12-29T12:39:00.000-05:00My observation of the craft world that Etsy has cr...My observation of the craft world that Etsy has created is that everyone needs to be "the same"<BR/>Cookie cutter crafter.<BR/>We all have different lives and circumstances. Do we really need Etsy to tell us how to run out businesses?<BR/>I've seen the "comminity" at Etsy at each others throats on a daily basis either to get in good with admin. or get on the front page.<BR/><BR/>Or they are are fighting with eachother about stupid things like if people are "green" enough, that people are sending too many promos, business cards, or too many peanuts in a package.... Like there is no life outside of Etsy's tiny walls.<BR/><BR/>This is not the craft community that I knew and loved 10 years ago. That community is tucked away, doing their own thing, with no need for lists or sites designed to make craft into some kind of "factory".<BR/><BR/>It's a sad state for craft these days and Etsy is the reason why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-64046434485862512942008-12-29T12:18:00.000-05:002008-12-29T12:18:00.000-05:00He may not be CEO, but he can close threads in the...He may not be CEO, but he can close threads in the forums whenever he wants. What else can he do?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-6369418271695888622008-12-29T12:04:00.000-05:002008-12-29T12:04:00.000-05:00hahahaha... Rob closed the thread because it 'veer...hahahaha... Rob closed the thread because it 'veered off topic'... i.e. We all pointed out the obvious and didn't help the kid with his homework. <BR/><BR/>Rob... grow up and get some sense. You're a damn fool for thinking you could come in there and insult 80% of the Etsy population (educated, hard working, business savy people) and then get help from them. <BR/><BR/>How about this Rob... go read your OWN forums that is chalk full of 3.5 years of great feedback about what is needed in a business.Top Shelf Toteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01861065869613772794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-74871556340353938812008-12-29T11:43:00.000-05:002008-12-29T11:43:00.000-05:00Rokali defines it better here:"To clarify, I&...Rokali defines it better here:<BR/><BR/>"To clarify, I'm trying to build a framework here. This framework will facilitate the creation and collation of helpful content. It will connect people with other people, with ideas, and with other resources (from grants to workspaces for rent)."<BR/><BR/>So it appears the dropout wants to create an online quasi business school and resource center for artists and crafters.<BR/><BR/>You have to give him some credit for having the insight for ways to exploit people's needs for profit.<BR/><BR/>Instead of taking the thousands of posts begging for seller support resources in the Etsy infrastructure and using them to develop site improvements, it appears he's seen an opportunity to create another site to get crafters to buy those support resources separately.<BR/><BR/>In terms of the Etsy profit model, it's pretty good.<BR/><BR/>What completely sucks is that Etsy and Etsy.org have the audacity to present themselves as businesses that support artists and artisan crafters, when they are actually in the business of squeezing every nickel they can out of them.<BR/><BR/>It's shameful for your business model to be designed to extract profits from the demographic least able to afford it.<BR/><BR/>Instead of focusing on bringing in quality buyers to maximize sales, selling prices, and transaction fees, they are focused on creating & maintaining ways to extract listing and subscription fees from the desperate little guys.<BR/><BR/>Etsy is insidiously anti-artist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-83124028742201280472008-12-29T11:37:00.000-05:002008-12-29T11:37:00.000-05:00What I find amazing in these two threads are the d...What I find amazing in these two threads are the demands that Rokali fix or finish what he has started in forums for years..the reality is this: He can't! Rokali is no longer CEO of etsy...When he (or investors of the shot in the arm $27 Million)put Maria in the position of CEO ..he then has some FLUFF title, CCO (Chief Creative Officer??? WTF is THAT?)<BR/>I believe he is looking for the easy way out and have others do his homework for him...Either for the Switzerland Composium or Etsy.org...All Wired Up TOOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00528454488282298465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-85298515350737627452008-12-29T09:47:00.000-05:002008-12-29T09:47:00.000-05:00I don't know what to make of Etsy anymore. The "...I don't know what to make of Etsy anymore. The "quit your day job" series is very misleading to me and reminds me of the Avon and Mary Kay recruitment flyers that I used to receive. <BR/><BR/>Personally I think all of this attention to us seller's, all of a sudden, has a lot to do with the newer venues popping up and giving them competition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-53202964345025409782008-12-29T09:25:00.000-05:002008-12-29T09:25:00.000-05:00I nominate you for the butterfly award! I love thi...I nominate you for the butterfly award! I love this blog!Captain Skulduggery Dughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09006783819138495126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-63180413461903395662008-12-29T07:21:00.000-05:002008-12-29T07:21:00.000-05:00It was very sad to see sarawearsskirts/girlscantel...It was very sad to see sarawearsskirts/girlscantell reply to that "what is making a living" thread. Since in 3 more days she won't be making a living and utterly useless Danielle still has a job.eclipsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17182315716049100221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-42740370637604972362008-12-29T01:45:00.000-05:002008-12-29T01:45:00.000-05:00I responded to Rob... I couldn't let him get away ...I responded to Rob... I couldn't let him get away with his bullshit... I actually responded twice because he kept going deeper into a bad analogy about pianos from the 1700's. Seriously, WTF?Top Shelf Toteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01861065869613772794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-656368433458185262008-12-29T01:01:00.000-05:002008-12-29T01:01:00.000-05:00etsy = biggest joke ever, glad I gave you a good l...etsy = biggest joke ever, glad I gave you a good laugh! <BR/><BR/>Did you see Rob's response to the thread... I had to laugh, otherwise I would have cried at how unbelievably out of touch he is. <BR/><BR/>Doesn't want to pay $120K for school... well, as we all pointed out in that thread, Rob... you don't need to get an MBA, but there are business classes out there that would help. <BR/><BR/>One thought... UCLA Extensions Business program... $15K, great program. Other Universities in the US offer programs like this and have proven very successful. <BR/><BR/>The guy isn't even resourceful... how can he run a non-profit?Top Shelf Toteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01861065869613772794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-85194825082980450842008-12-28T22:31:00.000-05:002008-12-28T22:31:00.000-05:00My DH said an interesting thing today. I was comme...My DH said an interesting thing today. <BR/><BR/>I was commenting to him about this asinine anti-business-education-new-age-shoot-from-the-hip-entrepreneur bullshit, and he said:<BR/><BR/>"Yeah, but those guys aren't calling the shots. Etsy's got deep pockets in their venture capitalists, and the higher unemployment goes, the better Etsy does capturing new business."<BR/><BR/>Lucky for me I have such a brilliant and successful DH, and wholesale orders so I can drop Etsy with ease. <BR/><BR/>I just hope they go public. You can make a lot of money exploiting desperate people during desperate times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-42073111861468763252008-12-28T21:18:00.000-05:002008-12-28T21:18:00.000-05:00He has come a long way in 3.5 years. Still clueles...He has come a long way in 3.5 years. Still clueless<BR/><BR/> http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=13Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-57257651077736111482008-12-28T20:58:00.000-05:002008-12-28T20:58:00.000-05:00Topshelftotes, I almost peed my pants reading your...Topshelftotes, I almost peed my pants reading your post in that second failtastic thread Rob started. EXCELLENT! Call it like you see it! <BR/><BR/>If the guy has just spent 4 years building a business from the ground up, WTF is he asking us all this for? There are some basic common denominators in any business. Why the need for all the details, the exceptions? Just what the heck is he going to be doing with Parachutes that he needs all this.<BR/><BR/>I think Rob must be developing a new model for running a small business, because truly, you can get so much valuable information already. Or maybe he just thinks he's developing a new model. Typical Etsy error...reinvent the wheel...with less features and lower quality than is readily available elsewhere.<BR/><BR/>I hope I'm wrong. Good luck Rob.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-14423507582769899092008-12-28T20:35:00.000-05:002008-12-28T20:35:00.000-05:00Dear Etsy,I just quit my day job!! Guess what I pl...Dear Etsy,<BR/><BR/>I just quit my day job!! <BR/><BR/>Guess what I plan to do now? Get another day job!! Why? Because I don't have any friends in Brooklyn who can give me a piece of a $27 million pie without having any real qualifications, experience or business education. In order for me to make a living, I need to eat something besides shit sandwiches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-17318601062736344202008-12-28T19:57:00.000-05:002008-12-28T19:57:00.000-05:00I am pretty sure that I'm done with Etsy... I just...I am pretty sure that I'm done with Etsy... I just left a response to the NEW thread that Rob started... he is so offensive, I don't even have a strong enough word. <BR/><BR/>http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5972113<BR/><BR/>I'm solely on Art Fire at this point, and have put my Etsy shop into vacation mode. <BR/><BR/>With these two threads he has proven to me what I feared was true. Etsy is not a company that understands business. Instead they write stupid Dorque articles that aren't even true most of the time and think that QYDJ is a reality for most. I'd rather they stop all articles hire some more developers and give sellers things that BUSINESSES need (yeah Rob, if you went to school maybe you would know the basic needs of a business). <BR/><BR/>Etsy... this may be it for me, honestly. You have no respect for your customers.Top Shelf Toteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01861065869613772794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-79192917882665454652008-12-28T19:35:00.000-05:002008-12-28T19:35:00.000-05:00Looks like Rob-O-The-Clown has served up another s...Looks like Rob-O-The-Clown has served up another shit smörgåsbord with this thread here... <BR/><BR/>http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5972113Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-17011896419727381782008-12-28T19:33:00.001-05:002008-12-28T19:33:00.001-05:00Seeing that the person who started Etsy is a high ...Seeing that the person who started Etsy is a high school drop out who has no regard for further education, at all (Oh, it's not for a 1-5 person company... is he for real???) just shows how Etsy got where they are when it comes to business sense. <BR/><BR/>Rob... you need to think about what happens after 1-5 becomes 100-500. You also need to think about the fact that you are trying to start a site to teach people how to RUN A BUSINESS! Ummm... yeah, all the questions you're asking in the forums... they can be answered in business school (undergrad even, no MBA required).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-41011186382405580802008-12-28T19:33:00.000-05:002008-12-28T19:33:00.000-05:00there's another thread he just started, in Etc- ap...there's another thread he just started, in Etc- apparently we aren't being clear enough.Or helpful enough. (Gotta get that speech written...)<BR/><BR/>http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5972113foxazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00652790979739277057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-3794755831557474112008-12-28T18:52:00.000-05:002008-12-28T18:52:00.000-05:00I admit I did post in that thread because it never...I admit I did post in that thread because it never hurts to be nice to the dude at the top (well, if it's Rokali, not like Hitler or something). But my first thought when I saw it was Nero fiddling while Rome burned. There were a bunch of wild threads going last night with no admin in sight. Has Rokali EVER visited Site Help? Ideas? I am so frustrated these days by admin being in the fora but NOT helping. At. All. <BR/>Today's big chuckle-- Vanessa said "Oh, admin does not consider a treasury for Front Page consideration if you have put your own item in it"<BR/>Right, of course not. Unless you are you know who. In which case it is fine, I guess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com