tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post2338403432173871638..comments2023-05-31T07:37:38.948-04:00Comments on Etsy Bitch: Help us out, EB ReadersThe Cranky Onehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08492132798002763761noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-83306672915631292602008-08-17T20:32:00.000-04:002008-08-17T20:32:00.000-04:00SurrenderDorothy and HRMB have been muted for 7 da...SurrenderDorothy and HRMB have been muted for 7 days for daring to take a stand against trolls.<BR/><BR/><BR/>--------<BR/><BR/>The two accounts belong to the same person.<BR/>She started that thread after we spoke about how these trolls were harassing me and following me in each thread. They had one of my thread about Off shore drilling closed and they bullied me away from my own thread.<BR/>HRMB sent a complete report to admin and I was trying already to communicate with RobWhite who never answered me when I asked him for help. (even though we were in very good communication terms).<BR/>Please do see my blog if you want to know the whole story.Recycled By Hyenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05720319564783535506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-65306561869492605712008-08-17T16:24:00.000-04:002008-08-17T16:24:00.000-04:00As a seasoned B&B maker and a member of the Et...As a seasoned B&B maker and a member of the Etsy Green & Clean Guild (EGCG), part of the obligation in making/selling B&B products is to educate your consumers about your products and the ingredients so that they are making informed choices about what they put on their bodies. <BR/><BR/>It makes me crazy to see so many new B&B shops run by people who have clearly bought some stuff on clearance at Michael's and then opened up an Etsy shop the same weekend. These same people will flip out if you so much as suggest that they wait a bit to open a shop so they can test their products or correct misinformation, such as Vitamin E is *not* a preservative, it is an anti-oxidant. <BR/><BR/>Etsy promotes the idea that anybody can make anything (or heck, NOT make it, someone else can make it including machines) and sell it and "make a living". This opens the doors to inexperienced sellers with untested products that are potentially dangerous. If a customer buys their very first bar of soap from one of these sellers and has a horrible reaction, they are unlikely to ever buy handmade products again, even though there are PLENTY of us on Etsy who know what the heck we're doing.<BR/><BR/>grumble grumble grumbleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-38623287160837026172008-08-17T08:02:00.000-04:002008-08-17T08:02:00.000-04:00HerVoiceSurrenderDorothy and HRMB have been muted ...HerVoice<BR/><BR/>SurrenderDorothy and HRMB have been muted for 7 days for daring to take a stand against trolls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-62267434992938217622008-08-16T15:27:00.000-04:002008-08-16T15:27:00.000-04:00Hey, Bitches! Oh, man, I've missed you guys! I'v...Hey, Bitches! Oh, man, I've missed you guys! I've been up at the cottage for two weeks with NO INTERNET ACCESS! How did I make it?<BR/><BR/>Gotta catch up on the Bitch poop but I'll email you my reseller first. The one who's got the "largest range of pet i.d tags in the world." They do, too. My dog had hers before Etsy was even thought of.<BR/><BR/>Okay, gotta go get my fix.SuzInToronnohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03373387400327875792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-64264371309315455662008-08-15T08:45:00.000-04:002008-08-15T08:45:00.000-04:00If there are sellers on the pledge blog that I nee...If there are sellers on the pledge blog that I need to look at please feel free to email me :)Keys and Memorieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527802877707423214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-46552090951948154472008-08-14T18:01:00.000-04:002008-08-14T18:01:00.000-04:00We're getting flooded with emails - you guys are a...We're getting flooded with emails - you guys are amazing.<BR/><BR/>Please make sure you're sending us the correct, live links. There've been a couple that are dead ends. We're not sure if this is because the submitter made an error, or if - gasp! - Etsy has actually removed the reseller.<BR/><BR/>Thanks!The Malevolent Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05082114292547006016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-82832738666653293692008-08-14T15:18:00.000-04:002008-08-14T15:18:00.000-04:00yeah you right said... also, in regards to the ets...yeah you right said... <BR/>also, in regards to the etsypledgeblog- there are sellers there that- and this is factual- are not capable of dating vintage -ithas happened to me and another seller after buying their stuff and according to their feedback happens repeatedly. <BR/><BR/>---------------------------<BR/>This isn't an issue specific to Etsy. It's a problem on any venue for antiques/vintage sellers. Taking a pledge to sell only vintage may be done with all sincerity, but customers still get burned if the seller knows far less than they think they do.<BR/><BR/>Clothing, I would guess, is getting more difficult all the time because recent trends copy earlier styles so closely. I've had some real laughs at the malls in the last few years seeing new versions of items I still have in storage from own 70s wardrobe. Is it too much to ask that a vintage clothing seller lose one artsy photo and give us instead a pic of the label(s) including the fabric content/care instructions (if present) to help us verify their dating of the piece? Should be a requirement for being a member of any vintage related street team IMO -- all labels in the garment must be shown. Good way to spot the resellers, too!<BR/><BR/>I think there is a huge difference between jurying (or the antiques equivalent) and just having some standards for what info must be included in item descriptions, variable depending on what you sell. I've posted about this before, but what exactly are the street teams for these days (other than doing unpaid promos for the site)? It's nice that you're a mom, granny, have faith (or don't), and watch teevee...but I'm here for what you sell, duh? Pruning of the team list is way overdue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-34421608387897826382008-08-14T12:43:00.000-04:002008-08-14T12:43:00.000-04:00Oh yes, I forgot to add that there is currently a ...Oh yes, I forgot to add that there is currently a DVD listed on Etsy for the Opening Ceremonies of the 2008 Olympics. NOT handmade, vintage, or supplies, and bootleg to boot. Nice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-24206685860432090162008-08-14T12:37:00.000-04:002008-08-14T12:37:00.000-04:00Maybe Etsy admin can borrow a little from Ruby Lan...Maybe Etsy admin can borrow a little from Ruby Lane. That would be not allowing new shops to be immediately visible (yeah, they would have to change all their confusing faq docs again). REQUIRE shops to complete all aspects of their profiles to be visible: location, some kind of statement of who they are & why they do their craft or something. Offer language translation assistance to any who request it. If a shop signs up for a sellers account, it must be populated with at least a handful of items for sale and then activated by an admin. While this would not prevent the kind of misrepresentation that could only be stopped by the time/effort intensive jurying process, it would prevent shops from selling 'vintage' flat screen teevees and 'vintage' dual processor laptops (for realz, I flagged such a shop and it was closed).<BR/>__________________<BR/><BR/>You stole the words right off the tips of my fingers! I flagged a couple of shops this week. Neither one had a profile, a location, or shop policies listed. To me, that was kind of the clincher as to whether I should flag or not. This is a most excellent idea. I realize that it sometimes takes a little time to get your policies and everything listed and goodness knows I slacked on getting my shop policies done after we could add them, but I totally agree that this is a big ol' red flag. To me it is especially important to read how someone made something--not their trade secrets, but just to get a good idea that they at least know HOW such a thing would be made. The B & B thing scares me, I have sensitive skin and allergies, so I have to be pretty careful with B & B. I stick to a few sellers only. I hate to be suspicious, but I have to protect myself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-11012609669710398462008-08-14T12:30:00.000-04:002008-08-14T12:30:00.000-04:00""Etsy has created a site where, despite the rules...""Etsy has created a site where, despite the rules, Etsy breaks them, misinterprets them, misapplies them, selectively applies them selectively, and everyone says oh, give them a break, they work too hard.""<BR/><BR/>also, in regards to the etsypledgeblog- there are sellers there that- and this is factual- are not capable of dating vintage -ithas happened to me and another seller after buying their stuff and according to their feedback happens repeatedly. <BR/><BR/>they also shouldnt be selling bath and body because their product has illegal and mismarked ingredients and then goes bad<BR/><BR/>etsy tells us they will do something and doesnt come through even a fraction of the time. <BR/>we are all in competition with mass market produced and resellers, mistaggers,gypsies tramps and thieves. <BR/><BR/>they have zero of the indy cred they craveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-11519548038805780412008-08-14T12:06:00.000-04:002008-08-14T12:06:00.000-04:00the funny one said:I just gotta say that being ske...the funny one said:<BR/>I just gotta say that being skeptical of the question being posed on EB is a direct consequence of life on Etsy. Distrust, dibelief and suspicion that something must be brewing.<BR/><BR/>How did it get to be this bad? Among a bunch of creative people?<BR/><BR/>****************<BR/><BR/>So true. I don't want to live like that, or conduct my business like that. Misdirection, Nonchalance, Laziness, Narrowmindedness, Suspicion--Etsy is sucking the life outta me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-13683502377636608812008-08-14T11:30:00.000-04:002008-08-14T11:30:00.000-04:00Etsy has become such a beginner shops market place...Etsy has become such a beginner shops market place, it's down right scary to order for someone who just opened a hop.<BR/>Heck, I once ordered from a new soap shop just to get slammed with an additional s/h paypal request because they couldn't get their shipping set up right in the listing and they were plain nasty after I refused.<BR/>About the reseller list, I probably would have loved to do that 6 months ago, in the meanwhile I don't see any use in it anymore BECAUSE Etsy does NOT care, opening their gates to any seller on this planet regardless of product and production.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-14353510353169375372008-08-14T11:20:00.000-04:002008-08-14T11:20:00.000-04:00EB: I need help myself.I need something to put up...EB: I need help myself.<BR/>I need something to put up on my profile that will be a simultaneous redirect to customers and a subtle flip the bird to etsy. Something that shows I'm part of the 200,000 "making a living" on etsy by closing up shop and starting out on my own, but that might slip under the radar long enough to actually stay up.<BR/>Ideas?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-22709820296105328052008-08-14T10:30:00.000-04:002008-08-14T10:30:00.000-04:00The ones who speak out the most about the Globaliz...The ones who speak out the most about the Globalization Act for Costmetics are the ones who need the regulation THE MOST.<BR/><BR/>I am shocked pretty much on a daily basis by the misinformation there is out there even among both B&B sellers AND consumers.<BR/><BR/>The bottling and selling of premade bases for cosmetic ingredients to small B&B shops has opened the floodgates for just about anybody to order, bottle, label and sell. NO RESEARCH REQUIRED. That is downright scary.<BR/><BR/>I've seen people reference microwaving their lotion base to "heat it up" and add scent. Preservatives are extrememly heat sensitive and overheating can ruin efficacy. Most should not be heated above 125 degrees fahrenheit. You don't know how HOT some spots in your lotion are getting when you throw it in the "nuker" ... microwaves are NOTORIOUS for producing extreme hot spots. Hello, that's why YEARS ago they warned against mircrowaving bottles of infant formula. Babies were getting the backs of their throats severely burned EVEN after caregivers shook the contents prior to feeding.<BR/><BR/>This is a LONG post. I'm sorry for that.<BR/><BR/>I wish there were a better way to educate consumers on how to spot shoddy B&B practices.<BR/><BR/>If the Globalization Act is passed, it will force many of the honest B&B Sellers who do not compromise product integrity out of business (except for soap, because it's not a cosmetic). However, I can't help but think it's in the best interest of the consumer!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-66603404434504561372008-08-14T09:37:00.000-04:002008-08-14T09:37:00.000-04:00After reading a post from a seller whose friend bo...After reading a post from a seller whose friend bought some b&b product, maybe liquid soap, and had a burning reaction, I decided to stick to people I've used, and who sound like they know what the hell they're talikng about,AND specifically the ones who have stated that they carry insurance. And that's the thing. People are going to go back to the big box stores because they'll feel that, at least, if they have an issue, they'll know where to go and have recourse. As opposed to etsy who let people with eleventyseven negatives keep on selling and ripping people off, who take your money and then say "BYE" in their announcements, and then let them reopen up shop.<BR/><BR/>Every time I see a question in Techniques "what do I do now" I surely take note of that seller, as it doesn't seem like they did their homework or research, and I have no intention of being anyone's guinea pig.<BR/><BR/><BR/>What the hell are 63 people doing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-71245751794148416902008-08-14T08:17:00.000-04:002008-08-14T08:17:00.000-04:00I have a blog that lists only vintage and handmade...I have a blog that lists only vintage and handmade shops. Anyone is free to have their name added.<BR/> I try to support the vintage sellers on it because I can trust them.<BR/><BR/>http://etsypledgeblog.blogspot.com/Keys and Memorieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11527802877707423214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-41514800009385692272008-08-14T07:56:00.000-04:002008-08-14T07:56:00.000-04:00Boy oh boy, there are some really good comments he...Boy oh boy, there are some really good comments here. Can you imagine them in an Etsy thread? Lock!<BR/><BR/>life-during-wartime brings up a fine idea----that there could be ways to weed out resellers without going the jury route, and there might be a better solution. Anything but flagging. If Etsy can't keep up, get a better system like CraigsList and put in an appeals process. <BR/><BR/>Why is flagging not automated? Pay people to do it manually? (The real reason for 63 employees?) One big reason flagging will never work on Etsy is, they don't follow the rules, they make their decisions based on whether they like the seller, know the seller, or think the products are just way too cool. <BR/><BR/>And most resellers on the site today know that the manual flagging system is a complete sham.<BR/><BR/>I always thought that new sellers should be required to sign a contract (digitally) and then be tagged (invisably) as a "new" store for 3 months, then reviewed at a point in that "temp" status before being untagged. That might take less employee review time than flags-investigations. <BR/><BR/>But the main problem is, Etsy has no core mission, or engagement with business ethics and have no base for establishing and maintaining their business reputation. Total number of stores, sales, and listings have taken precedence over integrity.<BR/><BR/>Etsy set themselves as a platform to sell handmade, and then thought their work was done. They don't do a damn thing to protect, promote or support that mission. <BR/><BR/>They just don't want to work that hard. And it's own refusal to live up to its stated mission is going to be its final downfall. Since Etsy has nothing to hang its reputation on, why bother to figure out the solutions?The Funny Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03545537988530733607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-71643316880795290242008-08-14T01:23:00.000-04:002008-08-14T01:23:00.000-04:00Wouldn't it be easier if we just sent a list of th...Wouldn't it be easier if we just sent a list of the truly handmade shops? This would be a much shorter list.kibbleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00917106838631226558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-47714252697220481742008-08-14T01:09:00.000-04:002008-08-14T01:09:00.000-04:00i'm in agreement with the 'beware of what you put ...i'm in agreement with the 'beware of what you put in or on your body' comment here. i'm not completely convinced that some sellers know what they are doing after happening across a thread in forum discussing ingredients ..... worrying! i'll stick to my regulars and word-of-mouth referrals from trusted friends in futurepomomamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08338550638937829078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-19162075688293013012008-08-14T01:03:00.000-04:002008-08-14T01:03:00.000-04:00OMG, I just went to my shop. Now, instead of sayi...OMG, I just went to my shop. Now, instead of saying "Expiration Dates" it says "Renew Items".<BR/><BR/>They're not even trying to hide it anymore, are they?<BR/><BR/>*headdesk*Gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072165656923896599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-42048663414823014382008-08-14T00:17:00.000-04:002008-08-14T00:17:00.000-04:00The re-sellers see us as low hanging fruit, easy p...The re-sellers see us as low hanging fruit, easy pickings. For years little girls have had their moms stop the car at the corner parking lot to buy the fake doonies and nikes. It's important to fit in you know. Etsy doesn't regulate too well, so here they show up. They have sold their fakes and knock offs for so long and been so successful, who can blame them for showing up one more place. <BR/><BR/>I am going to flag the shops, i'm going to send their listings to you, but what really irks me are the people who actually buy their products. <BR/><BR/>Cuz you know they are the same people who would dare buy a hungry man a hamburger calling him a con artist, but they will spend 100 dollars on a fake coach bag and actually thank the man who just ripped them off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-86099768747904838622008-08-13T23:32:00.000-04:002008-08-13T23:32:00.000-04:00Maybe Etsy admin can borrow a little from Ruby Lan...Maybe Etsy admin can borrow a little from Ruby Lane. That would be not allowing new shops to be immediately visible (yeah, they would have to change all their confusing faq docs again). REQUIRE shops to complete all aspects of their profiles to be visible: location, some kind of statement of who they are & why they do their craft or something. Offer language translation assistance to any who request it. If a shop signs up for a sellers account, it must be populated with at least a handful of items for sale and then activated by an admin. While this would not prevent the kind of misrepresentation that could only be stopped by the time/effort intensive jurying process, it would prevent shops from selling 'vintage' flat screen teevees and 'vintage' dual processor laptops (for realz, I flagged such a shop and it was closed).<BR/><BR/>I think a good start would be to nab the obvious shops that do not fit any aspect of Etsy before they open. That would leave the community/admin flagging communications for the less obvious violators. If Etsy is a big kidz site now with real investors and all, it's time to treat it like a business. <BR/><BR/>And so what if some of these violator shops are Chinese? They are not stupid (way smart actually), and don't need us to defend them. They know what they are doing (items are tagged both vintage AND handmade?) which is...trying to beat the system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-8458708909926673842008-08-13T22:53:00.000-04:002008-08-13T22:53:00.000-04:00Angela said:And flagging of mainly Chinese shops i...Angela said:And flagging of mainly Chinese shops is YOUR view of the situation. There are plenty of shops selling these items here in the USA. <BR/>)))<BR/><BR/>Agreed.<BR/><BR/>Some of the worst offenders aren't from China but are smack dab in the US. And laugh their heads off in convos when they're called on it.Pretty Thingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00285473788765783338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-76370649724655858412008-08-13T21:42:00.000-04:002008-08-13T21:42:00.000-04:00Well, I flagged 4 over the weekend, as seen in Fri...Well, I flagged 4 over the weekend, as seen in Friday's treasuries...and 3 of them are gone already, just today. <BR/><BR/>many resellers are so blatant, it's easy for them to be removed. Others are more subtle about their language, and change their profiles each time they need to pass muster with Etsy. Still 3/4 is pretty good odds!SelfRighteousHarpyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13627712284017611776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-286747608538901945.post-73111428633842015232008-08-13T21:20:00.000-04:002008-08-13T21:20:00.000-04:00Ok, after reading the thread to which Life During ...Ok, after reading the thread to which Life During Wartime eluded (http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5759617&page=4), I am beginning to think this exercise might be futile. After all, if employees are allowed and artist collectives have apparently not been defined, that opens the door to anyone who puts out a product and calls it “handmade”. And, what product doesn't have at least some part of it that is handmade. <BR/><BR/>Why won't they define anything??? *bangs head on desk* <BR/><BR/>I think LDW is right on track with the 1,000 Villages idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com